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Cydonia Meridian
House Singularity
Sixth Empire
#1 - 2015-07-14 00:44:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Cydonia Meridian
The Death of the Soul (Capsuleer and Mortal)
This is the death we must all seek to avoid, and yet are all so inexorably drawn to. When you let goodness leak from your soul, and fill it with evil acts, you suffer the Death of the Soul. Though it may be revived, the path to Redemption is long and arduous. Do not give in to your Temptations!

The Death of the Willing (Mortal)
Greedy mortals that, by their free choice, decided to gamble away their lives by flying with Capsuleer crews, have already suffered the Death of the Soul by the hand of their greed. Their deaths do not constitute the Mortal Sin of the Final Death, since they have been paid for with Avarice.

The Final Death (Mortal, Capsuleer)
Violence to mortal civilians, also know as 'baseliners' is abhorrent. Perpetrating the Final Death is a Mortal Sin. This includes actions to block the clone transfer, willingly, or through negligence, of a Capsuleer or Merc.

The Deathless Death (Capsuleer)
There is no compassion, nor pity, for Capsuleer deaths, as it is the lot we have been cast, and our moral duty to fight for resources and power. Every time I clone I reach a brief moment of true peace, before awakening anew to cast away my happiness and assume the yoke of duty. The Deathless Death should be sought whenever possible to protect baseliners from undergoing their final end.



Additional notes on the gambler crews, sufferers of the Death of the Willing:
Though saddened by it, I concede the need for gambler crews, and will stand by their right to freely choose this path, to risk their mortal life for great profit. I limit the number of missions my gambler crews can fly, and retire them with enough cash to set them for life, though if they choose to crew for another, I cannot take that choice from them.

I long for the technology for the full automation of crew-less Capsuleer ships. I have seen the recently leaked videos by Minmatar operatives of His Holiness, the Pope of New Eden himself, testing several Amarr based crew-less models. Due to the current inefficient combat characteristics of these ships, they will longer be awaited. For what is the purpose of avoiding the Death of the Willing, only to be unable to protect others from the Final Death?
Max Singularity
House Singularity
Sixth Empire
#2 - 2015-07-14 00:53:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Max Singularity
These are insightful and blessed definitions Cydonia. I shall incorporate them into thy Sermons.

Well done.

Edit: Every time I re-clone, I catch but a brief glimpse of my wife Amayya Singularity, running to meet me through the wheat fields of my home estate. I look forward to death if but to see my love for that instant.

Harbinger of Faith His Holiness Maximilian Singularity VI, Pope of New Eden

First Champion House Kador (defeated) - #MagnateGate

Viceroy Interview & Apostle In Amarr

Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#3 - 2015-07-14 01:36:22 UTC
Thank you for posting this separately, and for clarifying and explaining your position. Though we disagree on much of this, I greatly respect your willingness to make clear what is unsure. My replies will be brief, to respect your time.

Cydonia Meridian wrote:
The Death of the Soul (Capsuleer and Mortal)
This is the death we must all seek to avoid, and yet are all so inexorably drawn to. When you let goodness leak from your soul, and fill it with evil acts, you suffer the Death of the Soul. Though it may be revived, the path to Redemption is long and arduous. Do not give in to your Temptations!


I have no argument with this. The struggle for goodness and understanding is important!

Cydonia Meridian wrote:
The Death of the Willing (Mortal)
Greedy mortals that, by their free choice, decided to gamble away their lives by flying with Capsuleer crews, have already suffered the Death of the Soul by the hand of their greed. Their deaths do not constitute the Mortal Sin of the Final Death, since they have been paid for with Avarice.


And those of our crews who join out of desperation, to feed their families? Or out of fear, or love of their home, or other noble reasons?

You are not practicing ethics here, miss. Your are rationalizing evil through religion.

Cydonia Meridian wrote:
The Deathless Death (Capsuleer)
There is no compassion, nor pity, for Capsuleer deaths, as it is the lot we have been cast, and our moral duty to fight for resources and power. Every time I clone I reach a brief moment of true peace, before awakening anew to cast away my happiness and assume the yoke of duty. The Deathless Death should be sought whenever possible to protect baseliners from undergoing their final end.


There is no moral duty to fight for power. This is rationalizing evil through religion, again, so that you can avoid the consequences of your actions.

Cydonia Meridian wrote:
Additional notes on the gambler crews, sufferers of the Death of the Willing:
Though saddened by it, I concede the need for gambler crews, and will stand by their right to freely choose this path, to risk their mortal life for great profit. I limit the number of missions my gambler crews can fly, and retire them with enough cash to set them for life, though if they choose to crew for another, I cannot take that choice from them.


Is is telling that your ethical and moral responsibilities so neatly line up with your desire to gather gold and glory. This is rationalization, nothing more. I'm not telling you that you can't or shouldn't fly or fight - but if you wish to be a good person, you must abandon these rationalizations and come to terms with your actions, and the full weight of their moral consequence.

Cydonia Meridian wrote:
I long for the technology for the full automation of crew-less Capsuleer ships. I have seen the recently leaked videos by Minmatar operatives of His Holiness, the Pope of New Eden himself, testing several Amarr based crew-less models. Due to the current inefficient combat characteristics of these ships, they will longer be awaited. For what is the purpose of avoiding the Death of the Willing, only to be unable to protect others from the Final Death?


I agree with you, and am quite happy to make my own professional contributions to this field!
Cydonia Meridian
House Singularity
Sixth Empire
#4 - 2015-07-14 03:17:31 UTC
I understand why this could seem like rationalizing to someone who does not understand that the Deathless Death of the Capsuleer demands a different moral code.

In the end, any religion can be used to rationalize extreme acts, and it is up to good people like you and me to uphold the faith. I do not fight from greed, nor powerlust; I own no palacial estate and I hold no slaves. My worldly possessions are limited to what I can carry on my person, and my Ships which are as expendable as I am. I fight to end tyranny, so the mortals don't have to.

Capsule-Crewing pays much more than is needed to feed a family, or even bring them out of poverty, and there is plenty of other work, especially now with the ongoing freeing of the slaves. The baseliner crews that come aboard are not desperate, and the ones that are hungry know they have other options, but let their greed control them. That said, I do my part to exercise ethics as best I can, bringing on well informed crew, limiting their tenure on my ships, and making sure that their final pay is enough to satisfy their needs, and greed, in whatever from that payment comes.


Scherezad wrote:

I agree with you, and am quite happy to make my own professional contributions to this field!


Despite our dogmatic differences, I would be truly honored to get that opportunity.
Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#5 - 2015-07-14 03:56:40 UTC
Cydonia Meridian wrote:
I understand why this could seem like rationalizing to someone who does not understand that the Deathless Death of the Capsuleer demands a different moral code.

In the end, any religion can be used to rationalize extreme acts, and it is up to good people like you and me to uphold the faith. I do not fight from greed, nor powerlust; I own no palacial estate and I hold no slaves. My worldly possessions are limited to what I can carry on my person, and my Ships which are as expendable as I am. I fight to end tyranny, so the mortals don't have to.

Capsule-Crewing pays much more than is needed to feed a family, or even bring them out of poverty, and there is plenty of other work, especially now with the ongoing freeing of the slaves. The baseliner crews that come aboard are not desperate, and the ones that are hungry know they have other options, but let their greed control them. That said, I do my part to exercise ethics as best I can, bringing on well informed crew, limiting their tenure on my ships, and making sure that their final pay is enough to satisfy their needs, and greed, in whatever from that payment comes.


You have stated that it is the duty of the Capsuleer to amass wealth and power; now you claim to forego them, and work only selflessly. This is a contradiction, and suggests that you have not examined your positions deeply enough.

You have stated that the Death of the Willing is equated with the Death of the Soul, and must be avoided. You have also stated that you pay well enough to satisfy their greed. You facilitate this immoral act. This is a contradiction, and suggests that you have not examined your positions deeply enough.

The greatest defense against the confirmative error is to discard all beliefs providing favour or benefit to the self, then re-assess.

Cydonia Meridian wrote:

Scherezad wrote:

I agree with you, and am quite happy to make my own professional contributions to this field!


Despite our dogmatic differences, I would be truly honored to get that opportunity.


I'd be happy to provide you with a link to our catalogue of services and products!
Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#6 - 2015-07-14 04:10:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Samira Kernher
You heep such praise for the sin of cloning. There are few greater evils than to run in fear from Final Judgment and abandon the blessed bodies gifted to us by God for soulless copies made by man.

Only by acting in Light's name and according to His True Word do we become immortal, for God has promised His faithful Paradise in Heaven. Only in God can we thrive and grow.

Cydonia Meridian wrote:
... and our moral duty to fight for resources and power.


There is no "moral duty" to fight for resources and power. This is something the Cult of the Capsuleer have invented to create some purpose for the pointless and meaningless wars you engage in for your own selfish benefit.

Mankind's real moral duty is given to us in Scripture: All of creation must be Reclaimed for God. That is the Destiny of Faith. Abandon your Cult, abandon your "Sixth Empire"! God has called for only one empire to cultivate the spirit of man and that empire is Amarr. Reclaim your souls for God and swear fealty to His empire, the Empire of Amarr, and His chosen representative, the Empress Jamyl I. Govern your lives by His Word.

So the Lord sent forth the Chosen,
to bring forth the Light of Faith
And those who embrace His love
Shall be saved by His grace
For we are His shepherds in the darkness
His Angels of Mercy.
But those who turn away from His light,
And reject His True Word
Shall be struck down by His wrath
For we are His retribution incarnate
His Angels of Vengeance
- Reclaiming 4:45
Cydonia Meridian
House Singularity
Sixth Empire
#7 - 2015-07-14 05:05:30 UTC
Scherezad wrote:

You have stated that it is the duty of the Capsuleer to amass wealth and power...

I am afraid I have stated nothing of the sort, my dear. It is the duty of the Capsuleer, blessed with the Deathless Death, to fight the battles of resources and power in the stead of the mortals, not to greedily amass it ourselves. And not as the slaves of the governments -corrupted with evil- but for the people of New Eden.

Scherezad wrote:

You have stated that the Death of the Willing is equated with the Death of the Soul, and must be avoided. You have also stated that you pay well enough to satisfy their greed. You facilitate this immoral act. This is a contradiction, and suggests that you have not examined your positions deeply enough.


Do not misunderstand. The Death of the Willing is not equated with the Death of the Soul, but caused by it. I give my Capsule-Crew enough payment to satisfy their greed so that they may begin anew, and work to overcome it. Though we may guide one away from The Death of the Soul, they must chose the righteous path for themselves. Removing someone's choice for evil does make him redeemed, and is merely the first step to justifying your own tyranny.
Goldfinch
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2015-07-14 05:07:33 UTC

What is a Singularity?

It is a black hole deep in the center of you that consumes all Light. It drinks life, and it can never be sated. It will grow until nothing of you is left. We are unafraid because we walk beside Him, in His Kingdom. We hold out our hand toward you. You are welcome to take our hand.



\J/

veiled and bound

my origin story (on eve-backstage)
Kontrahage
Perkone
Caldari State
#9 - 2015-07-14 08:34:19 UTC
This all sounds very much like a new cult but has little to do with the true faith.
Why do you insist it is? Why do you not find a new name for your version fo God
like even the Sani Sabik had the decency to do?
Instead you usurp not only another people's thrown but also their religion.

At least I am relieved you have revealed your true colours.
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2015-07-14 09:32:03 UTC
Cydonia Meridian wrote:
I understand why this could seem like rationalizing to someone who does not understand that the Deathless Death of the Capsuleer demands a different moral code.


Like hell it does, because we can jump to a new clone means we no longer have the same responsibilities to those around us? Utter rubbish, if anything our ability to hop clones increases our responsibility to those around us that cannot. We should be taking the burdens of combat where possible to protect those who cannot survive it.
Cydonia Meridian
House Singularity
Sixth Empire
#11 - 2015-07-14 14:03:40 UTC
Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:


Like hell it does, because we can jump to a new clone means we no longer have the same responsibilities to those around us? Utter rubbish, if anything our ability to hop clones increases our responsibility to those around us that cannot. We should be taking the burdens of combat where possible to protect those who cannot survive it.


Yes, Yes! You get it! That is exactly what I'm saying, our immortality means that we should be taking up the burdens of combat so that the mortals may live! This becomes a moral duty for us, where a mortal may choose to not fight.

The other side of the different moral code I'm refering to is that capsuleer to capsuleer deaths and killing are no longer sinful, since we do not experience the Final Death.
Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#12 - 2015-07-14 14:45:54 UTC
Cydonia Meridian wrote:
Yes, Yes! You get it! That is exactly what I'm saying, our immortality means that we should be taking up the burdens of combat so that the mortals may live! This becomes a moral duty for us, where a mortal may choose to not fight.

The other side of the different moral code I'm refering to is that capsuleer to capsuleer deaths and killing are no longer sinful, since we do not experience the Final Death.

I've got no problem with either of these things, though we aren't immortal - serially mortal, at best. Our minds erode quite quickly under the pressure and bit losses during transfer, without studious care and mental hygiene. Which many of us lack. Are you getting regular psychological and neurological evaluations?

There's no moral injunction against killing a Capsuleer in-pod, and there's a weak moral duty for us to take up the burden of fighting - of taking up the defense of baseliners. Just like you say.

But there is absolutely no permission given us to pursue wealth or power, for ourselves or others, and there is no leniency given us for violence and death. As any fighter, we must bear the burden of the death we cause, under the same requirements to avoid killing and harm as anyone. That ethical burden is what keeps us human in the face of inhumanity.

Curious how you give yours away so quickly, miss. You're very eager to make us into monsters.
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2015-07-14 15:43:16 UTC
Cydonia Meridian wrote:
Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:


Like hell it does, because we can jump to a new clone means we no longer have the same responsibilities to those around us? Utter rubbish, if anything our ability to hop clones increases our responsibility to those around us that cannot. We should be taking the burdens of combat where possible to protect those who cannot survive it.


Yes, Yes! You get it! That is exactly what I'm saying, our immortality means that we should be taking up the burdens of combat so that the mortals may live! This becomes a moral duty for us, where a mortal may choose to not fight.

The other side of the different moral code I'm refering to is that capsuleer to capsuleer deaths and killing are no longer sinful, since we do not experience the Final Death.


We are all mortal, Gods are as imaginary as our supposed Demi-Godhood. Try being blown up after unplugging the brain-scan functions of your pod and see just how immortal you are.

Unless you are flying a frigate you have baseliners crew on board your ship and put them in mortal danger literally by entering combat. I take specific precautions to protect my crew as best I can with state of the art survival pods and remote drones under control of the crew but my crew understand the dangers and I do not force anyone into a situation they didn't sign up for.

We as capsuleers are always putting lives at risk on one side or the other of a conflict. The best we can do is minimize that cost.
Cydonia Meridian
House Singularity
Sixth Empire
#14 - 2015-07-22 17:43:44 UTC
Well it seems like we're all in agreement here:
It's our duty to fight in procetcion of the baseliners, and so that they don't have to.
We do not have excess right or duty to amass power and wealth ourselves, except to purchase and fit more ships in support of the former point.
Capsule-Crews are fully informed of who we are, who our enemies are, where we're going and what our intentions are. They are putting themselves in mortal danger, and they freely choose to wager their own lives regardless.
We bear the burden of True Deaths, which our opponent Capsuleers do not experience at our hands.
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#15 - 2015-07-22 21:06:56 UTC
Claudia's cult, still the best cult.

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2015-07-23 11:15:31 UTC
Popcorn....Popcorn...come and get your popcorn....

P.S. Every time I re-clone I think 'Oh no, not again...'
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2015-07-23 11:17:43 UTC
Claudia Osyn wrote:
Claudia's cult, still the best cult.


I...No, never mind...