Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Just going to leave this here for your viewing pleasure: 2b Isk / h

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C5/C6 are broken and things need to change. I'm not in favor of removing capital escalations, as I've pointed out before - they are a great conflict driver - but seeing as high-class wormholes have now completely deteriorated into glorious farming lands, CCP needs to make some drastic changes. And they need to do it soon.

What changes, you ask: I see multiple options. The first, the more realistic option (something CCP would/could actually implement) is:

Heavily intertwine C5/C6 through adding a second static.

Less realistic, but probably more sensible:

2.) Merge C5 and C6 space and shrink it down to 300-400 systems.

3.) Remove capital escalations from C5 space and add some more C6 systems.

By now you probably wonder what kind of drugs I am on. Be honest to yourself though, high-class wormhole space is focked so hard right now, stuff has to happen.

sssuuuree bring more Dev attention to wormholes. . because it worked so well last time they remembered wormholes existed and made changes.

I'm always confused as to why someone who lives in a 5-3 and doesn't really do much PVP is suggesting changes to higher class wormholes. Sure, you bring up good points, but when there are people like you that just bear in holes with low class statics and don't PVP, are you really surprised?

You're right, stuff does have to happen to high class space. People who actually want to PVP and not just farm need to move in. It's a culture problem, not a mechanics problem. It's not a surprise that corps with good, active PVPers willing to put the effort in are still finding content all over wormhole space.

Having said all that, I would love dual statics in C5 and C6 space. I don't think it will provide much of an activity boost though.

More thoughts - I've just never understood the whole nerf capital escalation money to force people to PVP mentality. It's such a simplistic view to hold.

Anyone who actually wants to PVP already does it. If you really care about PVPing, you just do it. Why do people seem to think that nerfing income will force people to PVP? If you nerf income the farmers will either just farm for longer to make the same money, or move out of w-space completely, rendering it even more empty.

To be fair, lots of corps like us do capital escalations to fund our PVP. I think most of the big WH corps work this way too.

Do you see. . . do you see what you've done... RIP Wormholes.

The problem is caring about how someone else plays Eve and not taking in-game steps to fix it. If you do not like the fact that they do not PVP, then go force them to PVP. Eve gives you that right.

WH is too safe. Of course there is some risk that a new wh shows up during siegecycle and an enemy gang comes in just the right time. How often does this happen? Can someone farm another dread in that time between? of course.
Also for the little roaming guy that does these sites once in a while, its scary and well so. But if you have a (fueled-)pos, you are safer than anywhere else (unless you completely **** up in diplomacy). WH collapse around 24h and a reinforce timer is more than that. So a serious attacker would have to stay. I saw this happen, but the opportunity-cost is very high.

Also the escalation step is too big. putting an alt into a bearWH to disrupt their bearing as first part of your aggression. then the next thing you can do is full eviction. There is not much in between. Its an effort of days to get enough dreads in. So in the end, its way more efficient to just spread out and farm, instead of disrupting the pve-activity of others.

I am looking forward to the introduction of the new structures and the removal of POS. Maybe, jsut maybe, there is this feature that capitals in WH are very vulnerable. That a little subcap force is able to cause damage. Also i hope there will be more decisions possible on whether and how much an aggressor wants to commit to doing damage. The gains from the dropped Loot of "stations" should be able to compensate for the time not spend on pve. So please balance that part!

If piracy is more profitable than farming, the players are more actively engaged. <- right? (see gatecamps i.e.)
But that does sadly not appy for WH. Ergo its a bug in the "risk vs. reward" thingy.

Work. come home. do sites. scan the chain for targets. go to bed.
So thats 4-6hours per day maximum (health?). and with that downtime-reset its doable nearly every day. so the worker cant do more than this in nullsec in that 4h. so there is no difference in how often per day sites are available. Only that the spawnrate caps/effects the number of people that can live in one place in some way:
Spread out into multiple wh and the isk per person increases. Running the sites with less players is a challenge with great profit .... and that incentifies an antisocial environment.
That and the thing that (IF having limited time) looting others is less profitable than doing pve yourself. ==>
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"In comparison 0.0 is in a very good shape." lol

31st post today stating basically: i dont like someone elses game play style so please nerf it.

No. They are risking getting blasted and runnning mulitiple accounts they should make more profit for both reasons.