Ships & Modules

Some quick checking shows that you'd need about 1.5 MGC II to outdo a fully bonused painter, this makes normal fights a lot easier because you're now freed of having to apply your painter to every goddamn target (assuming T2 cruise, as one should), it also works regardless of distance unlike painters who start behaving erratically outside optimal.

"T2 cruise, Rigor rigs, 2 MGC and be done with it" sounds like a good plan to me., or perhaps a rof rig, T1 rigor, 2 MGC and painters. However, you can now also go with torps and a choice of rigor/range rigs, MGC and painters to get a really nice combo of range and applied dps. However I'd probably still go for T2 cruise, just for ease of use.


Here's a fitting idea that seems to be the most optimised, note that these are just some hypothetical ramblings and isn't actually tested in any way.


[Golem, LVL 4 Test]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Large Micro Jump Drive
Gist C-Type Large Shield Booster
Kinetic Deflection Field II
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Missile Guidance Computer II, Missile Precision Script
Missile Guidance Computer II, Missile Precision Script

Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Bastion Module I
Heavy Nosferatu II
Small Tractor Beam II
[empty high slot]

Large Bay Loading Accelerator II
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I

Hornet II x5

While the range will be better it still won't be great, 50-60km tops and at those ranges you'll already get application issues to a point where Fury cruise will outperform them. You're still in the ~45km ranges where they will actually make sense, they'll do good damage but that's where it ends.

However, you could use javelin torps with precision scripts which would apply more dps than T2 fury cruise, while having 57km range. So you'd have 0-45km with much better damage than cruise, and then 45-57km with still good application with Javelin. And nothing beyond. But that would require a lot of reloading and juggling with ammo types which generally will just mess it all up.

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This is all based on shooting cruisers, vs BC and BS it'll all be different ofc.

Testing on the Golem yielded the following results:
3x Faction BCU
1x T2 BCU
4x PWNAGE painters
2x Rigor II

This was the fit I was using pre-Aegis patch. Allowed me to shoot fury cruise missiles at everything decently but worst case scenario Angel frigate/cruiser which I used precision missiles. The Rigor stacking nerf hurt a little but not a huge difference.

3x Faction BCU
1x T2 BCU
3x PWNAGE painters
1x Missile Guidance Computer II(Precision Script)
2x Rigor II

Gives an increase in damage vs worst case scenario angel frigates/cruiser, although very slight that's 1 less painter I'd need to juggle.

3x Faction BCU
1x Missile Guidance Enhance II
3x PWNAGE painters
1x Missile Guidance Computer II(Precision Script)
2x Rigor II

Gives the same increase in damage vs worst case scenario angel frigates/cruiser, but obviously less damage against BS,BC and dessies that I was already doing full damage to with furies.

So what's the best fit I've found so far for price that is?
3x Faction BCU
1x T2 BCU
3x PWNAGE
1x MGC II(Precision Script)
1x Rigor II
1x Flare II

The difference was 12 dps at the frigate level and 10 dps at the cruiser level(with precision missiles).You'll get upwards of 20 dps difference with republic fleet/damnation painters but at a huge increase to cost. Seeing how it wouldn't save you a volley most of the time, I find it not worth it.

For myself I won't be making any changes to my cruise fit. My 3rd and 4th painter were optional anyways as I use a mobile depot to switch them for hardeners for when I need an increase in my tank while I whittle down the BS,BC and dessie rats.

As for torps, I'm still playing around with the fits. Torps actually do better against all targets then cruise missiles, the range is still subpar with the setup needed and also need atleast 1 of the painters to be republic fleet to apply full damage to an angel worst case scenario battleship. If you don't mind shooting extra volleys vs frig/cruisers then torps could be a more viable alternative. Then again torps take up 50% less space now so, it might be worth it as factoring reload times just puts torps even further ahead of cruises.

So hop into EFT, do a little work and see what's right for you.

i just tested target painters in falloff , and they do have a chance to fail ( no effect ) . while it may not apply to close range fits , it's something for the MJD / cruise missile users to consider .

Whelp...I think I've put together the best Torp Golem fit I can think of that's not obscenely overpriced.

[Golem, PvE - Torp]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Missile Guidance Enhancer II - This was chosen over a 4th T2 BCU because you gain more dps through application then straight damage/rof bonus.

Pithum A-Type Medium Shield Booster
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
- Using Republic Fleet/Domination painters instead result in a 30 dps increase vs worst case scenario cruiser/frigate. All 3 painters are mandatory otherwise you lose full application against battleships.
Missile Guidance Computer II, Missile Range Script
500MN Microwarpdrive II
- A Large MJD will fit instead but I hate slowboating so this was used in my fit.

Torpedo Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Torpedo
Torpedo Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Torpedo
Torpedo Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Torpedo
Torpedo Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Torpedo
Bastion Module I
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]

Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Large Warhead Flare Catalyst II

Damage/Range(Does not include drones):
All level 5, full crystal set the rest missile +5 implants for projection, precision, prediction and rapid launch.
1241 dps and 44/37.1 km with Rage torps and and range/precision script.
1055 dps and 52.8/44.5 km with Faction torps and range/precision script..
918 dps and 52.8/44.5 km with T1 torps and range/precision script.
827 dps with 79.1/66.7 km with Javelin torps and range/precision script.

Below you will find how well the damage will apply to worst case scenario Angel ships. Please bear in mind that npcs do not always travel at top speed and worst case scenario are the smallest signature and fastest ships of the Angel rat npcs.

Against worst case scenario Angel battleship:
Applies perfect damage with all torp types using Range script.

Against worst case scenario Angel battlecruiser:
Applies perfect damage with all torp types using Range script.


Against worst case scenario Angel Cruiser:
Applies 25% of Rage damage(319 dps), 51% of Faction/T1 damage(539/469 dps) and 50% of Javelin damage(416 dps) with range script.
Applies 32% of Rage damage(398 dps), 63% of Faction/T1 damage(669/583 dps) and 62% of Javelin damage(519 dps) with precision script.

Against worst case scenario Angel frigate(I will show decimals for this one due to how close the numbers were):
Applies 2.9% of Rage damage(37 dps), 6.2% of Faction/T1 damage(66 dps/57 dps) and 5.8% of Javelin damage(48 dps) with range script.
Applies 3.7% of Rage damage(46 dps), 7.7% of Faction/T1 damage(82/71 dps) and 7.2% of Javelin damage(60 dps) with precision script. Only showing decimal here because both Faction/T1/Javelin were close in application.
The numbers look bad, but a similar build with cruise missiles would only apply 124 dps on frigates, so I'm thinking 4-6 torp volleys per frigate.

Tank:
840 ehp/s vs Sansha at low end and 1285 ehp/s vs Guristas.
For those of you unaware this tank is not enough for some missions(Remember sitting still = full dps applied).With a mobile depot, removing the MWD(best module to replace with a tanking piece) and replacing with another T2 invul fiends gives: 1136 ehp/s vs Sansha at low end and 1739 ehp/s vs Sansha.
If you switch with a EM WARD II instead you get: 1295 ehp/s vs Sansha.
Also keep in mind your cap will last much longer with the removal of the MWD.

Cap:
9m 19s with everything running but MWD
2m 43s with everything running

Mind you, this is likely not the optimal fit. As always the most important thing about missile dps is the amount of volleys. So you can reduce application to increase range if it will not change the amount of volleys you have to shoot before they pop.

For those of you unaware, the worst case scenario rats were obtained from "http://games.chruker.dk/eve_online/npc_ships.php?supergroup=7&return_to=" and modeled as closely as possible in EFT to achieve signature/speed.

I'd love feedback and thoughts on how to make the fit better.

Actually due to changes that rigor/flare rigs now have stacking penalty. 1 T2 Rigor and 1 T2 Flare is better then 2x T2 Rigor. Also Cruise missiles need 3/4 PWNAGE painters to 1 shot all Battlecruisers with Furies. Also 3 PWNAGE and 1 MGC II(Precision) script performs better vs cruisers and frigates while still 1 shotting Battlecruisers.

but..but..the screen shake!

Lol. Most people turn that blasted disorienting option off; kind of forgot that even exist.

Your sig seems fitting.

We asked for the same advantages turret users get but we never wanted their disadvantages *bohoo*