EVE General Discussion

Good morning everyone,

I just want to discuss the state of new players and what they mean to Eve online.

First: As a relatively new player as far as play time, I don't feel that Eve is inaccessible, rather that the amount of information needed to be successful in eve in mind boggling. Of course new players can be successful when starting out, no matter what role in Eve they pursue, but the ease that they get taken advantage of is crazy.

Second: There are so many complex systems in Eve that will completely screw you if you don't understand them. Everything to the security system, to the market can completely destroy hours of work for a new player. Sure learning for new players is good, but sometimes it is crushing and down right will breaking what happens to players.

Third: Now it is story time. Over the last week there has been a pretty large newbro corp created due to the streamer Arumba starting it. This is something that Eve really needs, hundreds of new players joining and creating content and learning the game. However, high sec wardecs I think need to be changed to allow new players to not get roffle-stomped into the ground. Being extorted by high-sec corps for isk when they are in tier 3s, and we have exclusively tier 1 frigates for the most p[art is a huge killjoy to all involved. Sunday fighting against the wardec was fine. We were fine with losing 600 ships and teaching people how to play the game, but being completely blockade makes doing anything further unreasonable and ineffective.

Closing: I am not asking to remove high-sec war decs. I think it is quite fun, and like I said I am fine with grinding ships into people that are stronger than us and I believe everyone else agrees. I just think it should be changed in some way to allow new players to actually access the trade hubs. We want to create content, and we want to die and learn, but not being able to move resources is destroying anything we want to do.

(Note: There are other systems that could be tweaked, like scamming newbros, highsec ganking for fun, etc. This just seems like a big obvious one to new high sec corps.)

Also any tips are greatly appreciated. Like I said I am fairly new, and I know there are things that we can do to ease the situation, but supplying 350~ new pilots is fairly hard.

TL:DR: noobs whining about systems that make it hard to learn.

So you want people to continually leave until there is no one left? New people means new content. Do you not understand how games work?

I saw what happened in Amarr last night, and firstly, I have to say I am very impressed with the effort you guys put into killing that Loki. With the kind of numbers you managed to assemble, and tweaking your fleet doctrine, you could really achieve some fun stuff!



Now for my tip. I understand how moving stuff in war is hard, but that is one of the points of it. If you want to be in a player-corp then you have to accept the consequences.

But, these consequences need not be as hard as you seem to think they are! You can always roll another character on a spare slot, and quite quickly train them for the minimum needed to haul in high sec, whilst remaining in an NPC corp.

So, this would let your main character stay in the war, and give you freedom to move things about too! It is not impossible.

Part of the appeal of Eve was not being spoon fed and learning how to play the game. The internet has a wealth of knowledge regarding the game, if someone can't be bothered to follow ingame tutorials / google search / youtube / forums / ingame help chat then not much you can do.

It's not the game it's the player, I knew what I was getting into before I played eve.

Raspil if you think the career missions and opportunities are enough to teach someone about the game you are insane. Plus no one wants to put in 20-30 hours of reading and research to get started in a game. I am not suggesting being spoon fed, I am suggesting allowing us to learn the game easier. We want to lose ships and learn the game in the funnest way possible. I am not sure if you all are aware, but it is a game, not a job. The point is to have fun.

Supplying a corporation at war is actually very easy. Create a second character on your account, Give that character one of the exploration frigates - Probe, Heron, etc... leave them in an NPC corp and let them haul stuff for you. Or skill them to fly a basic T1 industrial if you need greater capacity. A permanent war model where you keep your haulers in NPC corporations is quite common in Eve. You can also contract someone to haul the goods for a fee.

Highsec is cancer ... move to lowsec with your corp. Lowsec has a simple rule, everybody is out there to shoot other players - believe me, this is much easier to accommodate to as the inconsistent uncertainty of highsec with the rules rigged towards the aggressor.

You probably need OOC hauler and good set of bookmarks for your home station. Then seed items there for your newbros. That is the way for newbs to access market you're asking for, I suppose.

Angelica you are definitely wrong. You are talking as a player, not a dev. New players are almost objectively a good thing in the eyes of a dev, and should be as players. You all lose nothing for new players coming into the game. More content and more mistakes to exploit. Sure some players won't make it, but Eve doesn't give players a chance in a lot of ways.

If you really care about the newbros you will shoot them just like you would anyone else. You will show them what kind of game EVE really is. You will baptize them in fire and prepare them for the harshness that is New Eden.

Otherwise you're just lying to them. You're setting them up for future failure and disappointment. You're making them believe it's a safe place when they're still in little cheap ships so they can pull out their expensive bling boats and loot piñatas later on and lose everything they've worked for in an instant. Everything they've worked for gone because of a misconception or a misunderstanding about what kind of game they signed up for.

You're trying to gain and keep their patronage under false pretenses. Sounds like to me you're the one taking advantage of them.

Show a newbie you care. Shoot them today.