Missions & Complexes

o/ All,

I have been trying to run High Sec Lvl 4 missions to generate an income and gosh it is horrible work for seemingly little reward.

Hopefully I'm missing something and you can educate me on this part of the game...

I am currently running Lvl 4's against Serpentis basing out of high sec using a standard Hurricane, I then mop up with a Noctis. I'm lucky if I'm breaking 10mil isk phr. (Doesn't help that the missions take a while sometimes)

Are there better ships/fits for the job? Am I running against the wrong NPC faction? I cannot yet fly a marauder. How do you make a living at this (and stay sane)?

PLEASE HALP!!!

Yeah pretty much this while you train into a BS, considering you mentioned hurricane, Machariel will probably be your quickest train to efficient level 4 mission running.

Are you taking the LPs into consideration with your stated 10mil isk/hr?

As far as loot collection and salvaging goes, it is highly questionable whether or not it is worth it to salvage and collect loot. The argument here is that you can get more missions done in a set amount of time and make more isk through bounties, mission rewards and LPs then you can taking the time to loot and salvage. There are some missions where the loot is well worth it and others where it is a complete waste of time, so taking note of these details will gain efficiency. Another method I started to employ when I have an itch to run missions is to carry enough MTUs for each room in the mission. Drop one in each room, BM it and come back after and hour and a half or so of mission running to scoop the loot and very efficiently salvage as everything is already in a neat little pile so there is no need for tractors on the Noctis.

imo if you can't afford and fly a machariel you are probably better off in lv3s. Probably best to run each one in a maelstrom first to get a feel for the mission and learn the triggers. plus you have a lot more tank, and plenty of space for a MJD to safety. but you more or less need a lot of damage to be able to make lv4s worth it. They might feel like they are worth it before then and if you want to do them you can, but you can make better isk blitzing lv3s than struggling in lv4s.

also skills for burner missions are important. all the team missions can easily be run in a t2 fit garmur, and a few of the assault frigs can be fit to deal with them. The pirate burner missions are a bit harder and seem to need more specific ships and/or skills, but a daredevil seems to be very versatile and able to deal with several of them. imo in the long run if you don't have the skills for burners you might as well not run missions.

Thanks for the advice everyone, I will give lvl 3s a go for a while and see how my isk/hr changes, certainly sounds less of a pain.

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o7

Not since the marauder bastion changes

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Since you're doing the salvage and loot manually with the Noctis, I've found it's best to bypass the small hull class wrecks and just collect up the medium and large hull class wrecks after each room is completed.

That way you won't have wrecks despawning if it takes you a while to complete the mission.

Also Minmatar ships work great against Angel Cartel NPC's.



DMC

if you are going to loot and salvage:

take at least the amount of mobile tractor units you will need for the mission (so 1 per room)

drop them at the start of each room and just leave them, when you come back with the salvager you can just salvage and scoop the mtu and not have to worry about tractoring wrecks to you.

The only real efficient battlecruiser for level 4s would be a myrmidon and sentries, however it's super sp intensive and you're better off with just training a space potato to level 4s and it will outperform even a max-skilled myrmidon.

Take a week to do a L4 in a Cane. Train into a Maelstrom, then a Mach. Enjoy.

The biggest money in a lot of L4 is the LP.

This means corp choice is important.

The worst for LP are the faction war corps such as Fed Navy as you are competing with FW LP. Often the best you can get with a FW fleet/navy corp is about 0.7/1.0 ISK/LP earned. The only advantage of these corps is they tend to own tradehubs like Dodixie or Jita and higher corp standings improves your tax rates when trading.

In the middle are Sisters of EVE who offer a reliable 2.0/1.0 more or less on probe launchers and SOE ships. It has dropped a little lately but is one of the more stable ISK/LP corps around as there is a constant demand for SOE stuff.

The best is a variety of corps offering unusual items like mining implants. ISK/LP ratios of 5.0/1.0 or better are possible but its a shallow market and selling a handful too many can see the price collapse so you need to be on your toes and move around between items and corps. Also because of the shallow market people that know of a high profit corp generally will not announce it in the forums.