Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Boo hoo, solipsistic party of one.

Do you have evidence to the contrary?


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The NPE is terrible, always has been. Starting in space is bad and the reasoning to start that way is silly, it's all bland, boring and not at all inviting or special. This can be done a whole lot better if only they'd have people with some creativity and feeling for the sandbox. The opportunity system is used all wrong, it should be used as an extra, helping the actual NPE, instead it's used as a half baked tutorial that gets it all wrong.

And all this "well, since the opportunity system we seem to have more retention" is not because the system is awesome, but actually because it's so flawed it forces newbies to ask in Rookie for help, where people (like me) who are willing to put in their time to actually try to be inviting to new players guide them through the ****** NPE. It's the interaction and resulting exchange of info that causes the better retention. Not the NPE itself.


It really isn't difficult to come up with a meaningful NPE, it just isn't. It doesn't take more than 20-30 minutes of brain storming to think of something a whole lot better than what we have. And given that they still haven't even TRIED to make something slightly less terrible, to me, is an indication that they can't or won't.

There's some good ideas in there but it's not really a solution to the stated issue, mostly because it talks about stuff AFTER the first exposure to EVE. The NPE (as in the tutorial as a whole in whatever form) should create SUCH a pull, a hunger for more EVE with all kinds of memorable situations, while at the same time showcasing different aspects of the game enticing people to look beyond the "must grind, man this is boring". Giving them enough momentum to make them get past the initial hurdles.

And that is doable. You don't need focus groups, graphs and numbers for that. All one needs is creativity and the will (and capability) to make changes.

It needs less of CCP's well known procrastination and also less of the well known "yeah that'll do" mentality.

Agree with this. Which means that exposing new players to more interesting content - player-driven content - earlier on in the game, is a good thing.

I call it mediocrity.

Could you clarify if you think that is a positive or negative comment?

rather than "here is a bunch of SPs previous players had to wait and pay ISK to get" ,you focus on rebalancing nooby type ships instead, free SP is just bad.

Yes, that is a positive or negative comment.

Free SP? Nope.
When it comes to usability of stuff, I'd rather lift skill requirements from basic T1M0 modules that aren't guns (prop, prop jamming, maybe some basic profession mods).

I'd say right now NPE should encourage grouping with people willing to guide and teach. I think I'm only here because I was told to join a corp long before I installed the game, heh.

NPE won't fix attitude though. I was following certain community recently and what can I say... Only newbies that aren't ridiculed there are ones that come and display understanding of mech, ability to use EFT / dotlan / other utilities in their first post. In short, people who aren't really those newbies who rely on NPE, whatever it is. That can't be fixed by CCP.

So far the best NPE is something that throws people face-first into meta communities, out-of-game action reports, out-of-game tools, out-of-game guides. Preferably before people have chance to touch anything in-game.
That's saying something IMO, but oh well.