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Noragen Neirfallas
Emotional Net Loss
#81 - 2015-07-10 14:48:17 UTC
Let's put things back into perspective for you by quoting your first and second post
Petre en Thielles wrote:

dude, you do realize f*cking with actual newbies is not allowed by CCP, right? we can't complain about not getting enough players in the game and poor NPE and then pop one day old toons who don't understand the game yet. Go gank someone who at least knows what an afterburner is, for christ sake.

Gank, by all means, but don't be an a**hole about it to true newbies. If CCP finds out you are doing that, bad things will happen.

And
Petre en Thielles wrote:

Sorry, was the character one day old, or the wardec one day old? Because no one should be popping one day old true newbies, wardec or not.

At this point I'd like to make a note that you have argued that new players quit from dying (proven false by CCP)
Killing newbies under wardec is punishable (proven false)
Claimed PvP experience and/or knowledge (proven false)
Claimed tears other then your own exist in this thread (yet you post with an ALT because *insert convenient boogie man* will bully you if you post on a main. We like to call this tears and/or fear)

Did I miss anything?

( Post was made with phone apologies for spelling, format and/or order of quotes)

Member and Judge of the Court of Crime and Punishment

Noragens basically the Chribba of C&P - Zimmy Zeta

Confirming that we all play in Noragen's eve. - BeBopAReBop

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#82 - 2015-07-10 15:37:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Petre en Thielles wrote:
suddenly all the high sec bears
I'm the token hisec bear here.
Quote:
who pad their KBs with easy newbie kills come at me
I have no KB to pad, I don't shoot at anybody let alone newbies.
Quote:
pitchforks
Would you care to purchase a fine handcrafted pitchfork? Filigree and custom paint is available for a small charge.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

New Player FAQ

Feyd's Survival Pack
Marlin Spikes
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#83 - 2015-07-10 17:29:18 UTC
Petre, Petre, Petre [shakes head]

Bombers Rule!!!
Mobadder Thworst
Doomheim
#84 - 2015-07-10 18:24:03 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Petre en Thielles wrote:
suddenly all the high sec bears
I'm the token hisec bear here.
Quote:
who pad their KBs with easy newbie kills come at me
I have no KB to pad, I don't shoot at anybody let alone newbies.
Quote:
pitchforks
Would you care to purchase a fine handcrafted pitchfork? Filigree and custom paint is available for a small charge.


Can I get one without the space dirt shaders?
Petre en Thielles
Doomheim
#85 - 2015-07-10 18:56:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Petre en Thielles
Noragen Neirfallas wrote:
Let's put things back into perspective for you by quoting your first and second post
At this point I'd like to make a note that you have argued that new players quit from dying (proven false by CCP)
Killing newbies under wardec is punishable (proven false)
Claimed PvP experience and/or knowledge (proven false)
Claimed tears other then your own exist in this thread (yet you post with an ALT because *insert convenient boogie man* will bully you if you post on a main. We like to call this tears and/or fear)

Did I miss anything?

( Post was made with phone apologies for spelling, format and/or order of quotes)


Yes, you missed quite a lot, actually. I'm not sure how it's possible to misread something so horribly.

I'm saying it isn't a bad idea to give new players 24 hours to get a feel for the game. Nowhere did I once say new players quit from dying. Please quote the post where I said that. It makes people never bother to try EVE, it doesn't make them quit. You realize there is a huge difference between those two, right?

I said the spirit of CCP's new player policy is to get newbies a few days to get into it. Again, the 'spirit of the law', not the 'letter of the law'

PvP experience, where, exactly did you prove that false?

I don't always post with an alt. I post with a few alts and a few real characters. Cry about it some more please. Your tears are fun.

Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
]Would you care to purchase a fine handcrafted pitchfork? Filigree and custom paint is available for a small charge.


Yes please. I would like to upsell it to Marmite so they can have something to compliment their tears in this thread.
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#86 - 2015-07-10 19:01:35 UTC
Petre en Thielles wrote:

I said the spirit of CCP's new player policy is to get newbies a few days to get into it. Again, the 'spirit of the law', not the 'letter of the law'

I think the point you are missing is that if they don't explode they don't really "get into it".

Evil RatKid
Petre en Thielles
Doomheim
#87 - 2015-07-10 19:06:38 UTC
Ima Wreckyou wrote:

I think the point you are missing is that if they don't explode they don't really "get into it".


I'm not missing that. I'm just personally nicer to one day old newbies than some people, apparently.

If I see an easy kill, I personally usually pass it up. What fun is it to shoot something that can't shoot back?

Just my opinion. I never said the game should change in any way, it's just how I play. You keep pushing ganking miners, I will keep pushing not shooting someone (miners/day old newbies) who can't push back.

That's the beauty of a sandbox, there isn't a right/wrong. Believe it or not, we are all allowed to *gasp* have our own opinions!
Freya Sertan
Doomheim
#88 - 2015-07-10 19:08:31 UTC
How is it "not nice" to shoot someone in a game where you shoot people? Regardless of age? I will never understand that.

New Eden isn't nice. It isn't friendly. It isn't very hospitiable. Good thing there are people here to shoot in the face.

Want to make New Eden a nice place? Try this out.
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#89 - 2015-07-10 19:14:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Ima Wreckyou
Petre en Thielles wrote:
Ima Wreckyou wrote:

I think the point you are missing is that if they don't explode they don't really "get into it".


I'm not missing that. I'm just personally nicer to one day old newbies than some people, apparently.

If I see an easy kill, I personally usually pass it up. What fun is it to shoot something that can't shoot back?

Just my opinion. I never said the game should change in any way, it's just how I play. You keep pushing ganking miners, I will keep pushing not shooting someone (miners/day old newbies) who can't push back.

That's the beauty of a sandbox, there isn't a right/wrong. Believe it or not, we are all allowed to *gasp* have our own opinions!


I usually don't shoot newbros too, just because there are a ton of other targets with potentially juicier eggs around. But I am a New Order Knight, I can chose my targets. If the newbro was a wartarget I would shoot him. May as well be a spai!

Evil RatKid
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#90 - 2015-07-10 19:15:38 UTC
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Petre en Thielles wrote:
Ima Wreckyou wrote:

I think the point you are missing is that if they don't explode they don't really "get into it".


I'm not missing that. I'm just personally nicer to one day old newbies than some people, apparently.

If I see an easy kill, I personally usually pass it up. What fun is it to shoot something that can't shoot back?

Just my opinion. I never said the game should change in any way, it's just how I play. You keep pushing ganking miners, I will keep pushing not shooting someone (miners/day old newbies) who can't push back.

That's the beauty of a sandbox, there isn't a right/wrong. Believe it or not, we are all allowed to *gasp* have our own opinions!


I usually don't shoot newbros too, just because there are a ton of other targets with potentially juicier eggs around. But I am a New Order Knight, I can chose my targets. If the newbro was a wartarget I would shoot him. May as well be a spai!


id never shoot you

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Petre en Thielles
Doomheim
#91 - 2015-07-10 19:17:05 UTC
Freya Sertan wrote:
How is it "not nice" to shoot someone in a game where you shoot people? Regardless of age? I will never understand that.


Because I am slightly sympathetic to the learning curve in this game?

BTW, if Marmite comes back to this thread, give them this for me, so they can keep whining about me

http://i.imgur.com/w246bps.gif
Noragen Neirfallas
Emotional Net Loss
#92 - 2015-07-10 23:38:50 UTC
Petre en Thielles wrote:
dude, you do realize f*cking with actual newbies is not allowed by CCP, right? we can't complain about not getting enough players in the game and poor NPE and then pop one day old toons who don't understand the game yet. Go gank someone who at least knows what an afterburner is, for christ sake.

Gank, by all means, but don't be an a**hole about it to true newbies. If CCP finds out you are doing that, bad things will happen.

Underlined to make things simpler

Member and Judge of the Court of Crime and Punishment

Noragens basically the Chribba of C&P - Zimmy Zeta

Confirming that we all play in Noragen's eve. - BeBopAReBop

ISD Buldath favorite ISD

'"****station games" - Sun Tzu' - Ralph King Griffin
Asia Leigh
Kenshin.
Fraternity.
#93 - 2015-07-11 02:47:45 UTC
What are you people arguing about?

War targets are KOS everywhere regardless of age. It really is that simple.

The only person who is to blame in this case is the CEO of the corp that this newbro was in. By recruiting day 1 newbros probably in the rookie system he has taken the responsibility of the training and protection of the newbros he recruits. He failed miserably at this. It is really as simple as sending out a corp wide mail that the corp is at war, what that means, and ways to keep yourself safe while at war.
Apply the damn rules equally >.>
Noobshot Elongur
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#94 - 2015-07-11 19:55:47 UTC
Marlin Spikes wrote:
As I’m lazily sitting on my ping cloaked watching CODE do what CODE does, a one-day-old war target lands 15km off the gate in a noob ship. As it accelerates towards the gate, I warp down to greet him. Blapped and podded for auto-piloting during a war. Yes I know, sounds like high-sec problems. Feeling like I accomplished a lot for the day, I re-cloaked on the gate and picked up my bag of cheetos.

A few minutes later, I couldn’t believe my eyes. The same red-blinking pilot still flying in an noob ship lands 15km off the gate (auto-piloting of course). Turns out, no one took the time to teach this pilot how to navigate or avoid war targets. We had to take the time out of our busy lives to teach this guy how to get out of system. Yes, we could have let him go, but what would that have taught him?

My point....train your newbies. They are our future :)



OH a future customer of my ship replacement marketeering! Yay for bigger profit margins!
Kaely Tanniss
Black Lotus Society.
#95 - 2015-07-13 03:26:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaely Tanniss
Petre en Thielles wrote:
Mobadder Thworst wrote:
CCP did a study a while back and found that newbros who lose ships in non-consentual combat within their first 2 weeks (gank/flip/whatever) statistically stay longer than those who do not have this experience.

Short answer: If you don't see the dark side of eve in the first few weeks, you're more likely to quit.

I'm still waiting on my retention award. I suspect I'm responsible for a sizeable portion of the player base.


Are you even reading what I said?

I am 100% in favor of ganking new players. I said give them a day or two, not don't ever kill a newbie. Christ...

Mobadder Thworst wrote:


People like Petre are destroying the game. Has he no morals?

I can hardly kill noobs fast enough to offset his bad energy.

I still regret the failure of the "No Newbro Left Behind" initiative. Veers and I just couldn't make it go. We were going to save the universe...

What I do, I do for the children...

Where is my damn retention award.
Mo


Reading is hard, isn't it? Give a newbie 24 hours to get through the career missions. Yep. I'm destroying the game by saying that.

10/10, great post Mo! You can read gud.

Now go back to the noble work of padding your KB with mindless, easy kills like the bear that high sec gankers are.


You don't PvP much do you..I cba to look up your kb...if you did, you'd know checking a chars age on grid is not only not feasible, but just plain stupid with a hot target on grid.

Perhaps you should start a thread asking CCP to make it so noobs can't leave starter systems until the tutorial missions are completed..or for a period of time...with that being said, the "features and Ideas" threads are that way >>>. Roll

If I had a nickel for every time someone said women don't play eve, I'd have a bag of nickels to whack the next person who said it..
Petre en Thielles
Doomheim
#96 - 2015-07-13 13:50:19 UTC
Kaely Tanniss wrote:

You don't PvP much do you..I cba to look up your kb...if you did, you'd know checking a chars age on grid is not only not feasible, but just plain stupid with a hot target on grid.

Perhaps you should start a thread asking CCP to make it so noobs can't leave starter systems until the tutorial missions are completed..or for a period of time...with that being said, the "features and Ideas" threads are that way >>>. Roll


Having zkillboard open in the in-game browser and typing in their name takes about one and a half seconds. Do you PvP much?
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#97 - 2015-07-13 13:51:40 UTC
Petre en Thielles wrote:
Kaely Tanniss wrote:

You don't PvP much do you..I cba to look up your kb...if you did, you'd know checking a chars age on grid is not only not feasible, but just plain stupid with a hot target on grid.

Perhaps you should start a thread asking CCP to make it so noobs can't leave starter systems until the tutorial missions are completed..or for a period of time...with that being said, the "features and Ideas" threads are that way >>>. Roll


Having zkillboard open in the in-game browser and typing in their name takes about one and a half seconds. Do you PvP much?


just use pirates little helper :)

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Mortlake
Republic Military School
#98 - 2015-07-13 17:50:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Mortlake
Alts and such wrote:


Things.



Anyway...

Sometimes you hit the bar and sometimes the bar hits you...
Noragen Neirfallas
Emotional Net Loss
#99 - 2015-07-13 20:59:37 UTC
Petre en Thielles wrote:
Kaely Tanniss wrote:

You don't PvP much do you..I cba to look up your kb...if you did, you'd know checking a chars age on grid is not only not feasible, but just plain stupid with a hot target on grid.

Perhaps you should start a thread asking CCP to make it so noobs can't leave starter systems until the tutorial missions are completed..or for a period of time...with that being said, the "features and Ideas" threads are that way >>>. Roll


Having zkillboard open in the in-game browser and typing in their name takes about one and a half seconds. Do you PvP much?

Locking and poping takes the same time. Warping off takes about the same too...

Member and Judge of the Court of Crime and Punishment

Noragens basically the Chribba of C&P - Zimmy Zeta

Confirming that we all play in Noragen's eve. - BeBopAReBop

ISD Buldath favorite ISD

'"****station games" - Sun Tzu' - Ralph King Griffin
Tengu Grib
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#100 - 2015-07-13 22:26:28 UTC
Petre en Thielles wrote:
Marlin Spikes wrote:
As I’m lazily sitting on my ping cloaked watching CODE do what CODE does, a one-day-old war target lands 15km off the gate in a noob ship. As it accelerates towards the gate, I warp down to greet him. Blapped and podded for auto-piloting during a war. Yes I know, sounds like high-sec problems. Feeling like I accomplished a lot for the day, I re-cloaked on the gate and picked up my bag of cheetos.

A few minutes later, I couldn’t believe my eyes. The same red-blinking pilot still flying in an noob ship lands 15km off the gate (auto-piloting of course). Turns out, no one took the time to teach this pilot how to navigate or avoid war targets. We had to take the time out of our busy lives to teach this guy how to get out of system. Yes, we could have let him go, but what would that have taught him?

My point....train your newbies. They are our future :)



Sorry, was the character one day old, or the wardec one day old? Because no one should be popping one day old true newbies, wardec or not.


Oh is that a rule? I'll make sure to only use 1 day old alts for scouting then if no one will shoot them. Thanks for the tip.

Rabble Rabble Rabble

Praise James, Supreme Protector of High Sec.