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[Language] Allow us to have accents in our corp names
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Avaelica Kuershin
Paper Cats
#21 - 2015-07-08 21:39:44 UTC
Angelica Dreamstar wrote:

Hu? They're part of the standard layout. You have to press the key (shift helps) and then the letter-key to create them. Sorry iin case I misunderstood your post.


That is true for those of us who use a non US layout, or the US international layout, but the standard US layout keeps things SIMPLE.
Angelica Dreamstar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2015-07-09 01:10:52 UTC
Avaelica Kuershin wrote:
Angelica Dreamstar wrote:

Hu? They're part of the standard layout. You have to press the key (shift helps) and then the letter-key to create them. Sorry iin case I misunderstood your post.


That is true for those of us who use a non US layout, or the US international layout, but the standard US layout keeps things SIMPLE.
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Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#23 - 2015-07-09 01:19:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Webvan
Chribba wrote:
Corps/alliances most likely follow the same rules as character names, and that's A-Z, 0-9 so I'd expect CCP to have to make the exception to character names as well if changed.
I'm not sure atm on character naming, but corp names allow for punctuation marks as well. Or some of them anyway (e.g. My-Fail.c0rp). Characters I just see dashes. btw that corp name is still available for anyone looking for something new Lol

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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#24 - 2015-07-09 01:57:53 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Typing and then creating a link to a corp name from a standard keyboard would be a rather long and annoying process.


The only answer that seems legit.

Everyone else posting here (You know who you are. The ones that can't even be bothered to use your shift key or hit an apostrophe, comma or period) are just a bunch of ******* lazy asses and can safely be ignored.

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Ultim8Evil
Exit-Strategy
Minmatar Fleet Alliance
#25 - 2015-07-09 03:29:00 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Typing and then creating a link to a corp name from a standard keyboard would be a rather long and annoying process.


The only answer that seems legit.

Everyone else posting here (You know who you are. The ones that can't even be bothered to use your shift key or hit an apostrophe, comma or period) are just a bunch of ******* lazy asses and can safely be ignored.

Mr Epeen Cool


There is a big difference between the correct use of basic semi-universal punctuation, and knowing (as a non-native) which way the little accents on an "e" should face.

Having to type "ALT+0xxx" every time I want to find a particular corp/alliance doesn't appeal to me.

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Jacques d'Orleans
#26 - 2015-07-09 12:05:06 UTC
Just as a General question. Isn't it possible that when you put letters like â or é in the search function, that said search function recognizes them as a or e and then show us all results with â, a or e, é, è?


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Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#27 - 2015-07-09 14:22:55 UTC
Jacques d'Orleans wrote:
Just as a General question. Isn't it possible that when you put letters like â or é in the search function, that said search function recognizes them as a or e and then show us all results with â, a or e, é, è?




They would have to put special feature to make it since they are all different character code wise.

As for accent in names, it's probably a case of EVE being old and the database not supporting it at all OR could support it in a half-assed way that would also lets us pull idiotic tricks like "drop table" unless they went over all the code and made sure we could not, then realize they missed one and an entire part of the game just **** itself because of a troll.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#28 - 2015-07-09 14:27:32 UTC
Ultim8Evil wrote:
Mr Epeen wrote:
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Typing and then creating a link to a corp name from a standard keyboard would be a rather long and annoying process.


The only answer that seems legit.

Everyone else posting here (You know who you are. The ones that can't even be bothered to use your shift key or hit an apostrophe, comma or period) are just a bunch of ******* lazy asses and can safely be ignored.

Mr Epeen Cool


There is a big difference between the correct use of basic semi-universal punctuation, and knowing (as a non-native) which way the little accents on an "e" should face.

Having to type "ALT+0xxx" every time I want to find a particular corp/alliance doesn't appeal to me.


The way the accent should face is easy since you see it. How to create that accent on the other hand can be tricky especially when you use the really rarely used ones.

Ķ for example

ď is a single character

You can see what it is but beyond copy-paste, your only tool to pull it off is to look up a character table.
Triakis Cadelanne
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2015-07-10 06:12:03 UTC
Jacques d'Orleans wrote:
Just as a General question. Isn't it possible that when you put letters like â or é in the search function, that said search function recognizes them as a or e and then show us all results with â, a or e, é, è?




You guys see it's not that hard.
Avaelica Kuershin
Paper Cats
#30 - 2015-07-10 08:21:57 UTC
Triakis Cadelanne wrote:
Jacques d'Orleans wrote:
Just as a General question. Isn't it possible that when you put letters like â or é in the search function, that said search function recognizes them as a or e and then show us all results with â, a or e, é, è?




You guys see it's not that hard.


Presumably you are wanting only characters used in West European languages, but as pointed out, those using Cyrillic or Greek would want to use their alphabet, and that's where confusion can come into play.

(Incidentally, I use the US international layout which makes it easy to generate all the West European characters... even the Icelandic ones)
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#31 - 2015-07-10 09:05:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Lucas Kell
Avaelica Kuershin wrote:
Presumably you are wanting only characters used in West European languages, but as pointed out, those using Cyrillic or Greek would want to use their alphabet, and that's where confusion can come into play.
There's no reason they couldn't support accents but draw the line at different alphabets however. That's the great thing about arbitrary lines, they can be drawn anywhere.

Frostys Virpio wrote:
They would have to put special feature to make it since they are all different character code wise.

As for accent in names, it's probably a case of EVE being old and the database not supporting it at all OR could support it in a half-assed way that would also lets us pull idiotic tricks like "drop table" unless they went over all the code and made sure we could not, then realize they missed one and an entire part of the game just **** itself because of a troll.
I'd be surprised if their database didn't already support accents since they exist within most common english character sets. If they did make a change however there would be no chance of accidentally making it possible to drop tables unless they have a particularly terrible dev team.

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Jacques d'Orleans
#32 - 2015-07-10 12:37:13 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Jacques d'Orleans wrote:
Just as a General question. Isn't it possible that when you put letters like â or é in the search function, that said search function recognizes them as a or e and then show us all results with â, a or e, é, è?




They would have to put special feature to make it since they are all different character code wise.

As for accent in names, it's probably a case of EVE being old and the database not supporting it at all OR could support it in a half-assed way that would also lets us pull idiotic tricks like "drop table" unless they went over all the code and made sure we could not, then realize they missed one and an entire part of the game just **** itself because of a troll.


Thanks for answering my question. I'm no IT guy so i don't have a clue about such stuff, therefore the question.


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flakeys
Doomheim
#33 - 2015-07-10 13:26:19 UTC  |  Edited by: flakeys
Ultim8Evil wrote:
Time for you to accept that the international language of the internet is English.

This is the reason why Esperanto never took off; who needed a universal language that borrows linguistics from a variety of other languages when we already have one... English.

I'm not saying this to be arrogant. I'm bilingual myself (English and German since you ask).



Well it was that , or the rest of the world figured out that the americans allready have serious problems correctly typing and pronouncing their own language , let alone learning them a second one. Roll

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Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#34 - 2015-07-10 13:33:21 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Avaelica Kuershin wrote:
Presumably you are wanting only characters used in West European languages, but as pointed out, those using Cyrillic or Greek would want to use their alphabet, and that's where confusion can come into play.
There's no reason they couldn't support accents but draw the line at different alphabets however. That's the great thing about arbitrary lines, they can be drawn anywhere.

Frostys Virpio wrote:
They would have to put special feature to make it since they are all different character code wise.

As for accent in names, it's probably a case of EVE being old and the database not supporting it at all OR could support it in a half-assed way that would also lets us pull idiotic tricks like "drop table" unless they went over all the code and made sure we could not, then realize they missed one and an entire part of the game just **** itself because of a troll.
I'd be surprised if their database didn't already support accents since they exist within most common english character sets. If they did make a change however there would be no chance of accidentally making it possible to drop tables unless they have a particularly terrible dev team.


Well for all we know they are still using a database system from back in the alpha day and we also don't know if at that time they used what was new and shiny or what was known in their building team.

As for dropping tables, they managed to destroy people's boot.ini and their executable is still named exefile so who know what lurks deep within the code base...
Triakis Cadelanne
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2015-07-11 10:25:56 UTC
Triakis Cadelanne wrote:
Salah ad-Din al-Jawahiri wrote:
If they allow accents, Germans will demand diareses. After those are implemented, we Russians will demand Cyrillic names, because WTF not? And you don't want that, do you?


Yes I do. Because as you said, WTF not ?

When you're willing to write your own language in a correct way, it's a pain to be forced to write a mistake just because a letter doesn't exist in the game. Better, just because the devs don't allow you to use it.

When you find a name that perfectly suits your corp and it contains an accent, you have to option :


  1. Write it with a mistake and look like someone who can't even spell a basic word in his own language, very nice for a CEO ;
  2. Change the name to something that doesn't suit your corp as good.


Both solutions are equally frustrating.


Just so you don't think I'm saying it's only legit for EUW caracters.
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#36 - 2015-07-11 17:36:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
Frankly, I would just like that the world's third second most spoken language was supported by CCP in EVE, even if we had to skip using accents and even the ñ... Sad

But then, it's just advantageous that a French lady is in charge of localizations, n'est pas?Twisted

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Silverdaddy
Ourapheh Holdings
#37 - 2015-07-11 20:18:45 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Jacques d'Orleans wrote:
Just as a General question. Isn't it possible that when you put letters like â or é in the search function, that said search function recognizes them as a or e and then show us all results with â, a or e, é, è?




They would have to put special feature to make it since they are all different character code wise.

As for accent in names, it's probably a case of EVE being old and the database not supporting it at all OR could support it in a half-assed way that would also lets us pull idiotic tricks like "drop table" unless they went over all the code and made sure we could not, then realize they missed one and an entire part of the game just **** itself because of a troll.


It's called an accent-insensitive collation in database parlance. Easy-peasy out-of-the box with SQL Server.

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Det Som Engang Var
#38 - 2015-07-11 22:46:38 UTC
It would be interesting to play EVE with all of Gallente space in French. All the station names, NPC names, NPC dialogue, ship names... everything. Caldari space would be Finnish or Japanese. Either one would be impossible to figure out. I wonder if that would thin out the population of Caldari space a bit. Or be merciful and go with German. Or keep Caldari English, but that's boring. Amarr in Arabic or Persian or something. Also likely to be maddening. Maybe Italian. Or Russian, make Amarr Russian Orthodox and give their ships and stations a bunch of onion domes. Minmatar would be one of the Scandinavian languages. Whichever one sounds the most badass.

Then EVE would be educational and not a complete waste of time.
Hipqo
Tyde8
#39 - 2015-07-12 08:12:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Hipqo
If you want accents, i want æ, ø and å....

Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Frankly, I would just like that the world's third most spoken language was supported by CCP in EVE, even if we had to skip using accents and even the ñ... Sad

But then, it's just advantageous that a French lady is in charge of localizations, n'est pas?Twisted


It turns out it is, as the third most spoken language is English.... French is not even close to the top 5 languages spoken.

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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#40 - 2015-07-12 18:40:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
Hipqo wrote:
If you want accents, i want æ, ø and å....

Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Frankly, I would just like that the world's third second most spoken language was supported by CCP in EVE, even if we had to skip using accents and even the ñ... Sad

But then, it's just advantageous that a French lady is in charge of localizations, n'est pas?Twisted


It turns out it is, as the third most spoken language is English.... French is not even close to the top 5 languages spoken.


Lapsus calami.

EVE is available in the 3rd, 8th, 9th, 11th and 18th most spoken languages. Also haves a national server for the 1st most spoken language, although the 1st and 8th most spoken languages are supported by external companies and not CCP itself.

If you want a beautiful case of customer oriented design shooting its feet, think of this: EVE is not in Spanish because there are not enough Spanish-speaking players, and there are not enough Spanish-speaking players because EVE is not in Spanish.

According to customer oriented design, since Spanish is not a requisite of current customers, there is no need to aim for 450 million potential customers who don't speak (o don't want to use) English...

...but according to Spanish veteran players, it is pretty common that someone asks stuff like "cómo cojo cosas de una nave destruída". That's the NPE experience for Spanish speaking players once a good samaritan invites them to the Spanish chat channel.

In the good old days when there was a official language channel, the most common question was "¿cómo se pone el juego en español?".

Now they can't even reach for Spanish speaking veterans...

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