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Pilots must be in an *alliance* to entosis station, iHub or TCU

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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#21 - 2015-07-09 19:08:00 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:


Too many "magic rules" and arbitrary crap is going to make the SOV changes just another meh.



For the love of God, CCP please just kill all SOV mechanics and let the players work it out. Kill SOV or you kill the game. I'm seeing sub 15K logged in and I got people running missions un-molested with 2 wardecs going.


Summertime used to be full of epic because people had time to screw around. Now it's practically dead out there. Even the gankers are not seen much these days.


You should swing by the Optometrist for a checkup, mate. There are 29000+ logged in.

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Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#22 - 2015-07-09 19:09:44 UTC
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
I get non alliances not being able to complete the capture event, but not being able to start it, thus flipping the station to freeport mode, seems less clear. if you aren't willing to defend your space it should be vulnerable, and seems like an arbitrary restriction.


Because it's easyer to code that way and it's not like being in an alliance is a large requirement...
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#23 - 2015-07-09 19:26:16 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:


Too many "magic rules" and arbitrary crap is going to make the SOV changes just another meh.



For the love of God, CCP please just kill all SOV mechanics and let the players work it out. Kill SOV or you kill the game. I'm seeing sub 15K logged in and I got people running missions un-molested with 2 wardecs going.


Summertime used to be full of epic because people had time to screw around. Now it's practically dead out there. Even the gankers are not seen much these days.


You should swing by the Optometrist for a checkup, mate. There are 29000+ logged in.



I'm not logged in all day. I play in PST at night and have seen a significant drop.

Or maybe the leftoids in PST have decided to all go live in a commune out in the woods or something. I don't know.

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Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#24 - 2015-07-09 20:24:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Nana Skalski
Malcanis wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:


Too many "magic rules" and arbitrary crap is going to make the SOV changes just another meh.



For the love of God, CCP please just kill all SOV mechanics and let the players work it out. Kill SOV or you kill the game. I'm seeing sub 15K logged in and I got people running missions un-molested with 2 wardecs going.


Summertime used to be full of epic because people had time to screw around. Now it's practically dead out there. Even the gankers are not seen much these days.


You should swing by the Optometrist for a checkup, mate. There are 29000+ logged in.

You mean only the spike, I could say there are more than 60 000 logged in, even bigger number, but its in a span of whole day. P You see what I did there.

And we are at year 2007 levels, I mean people that fatiqued to log in. Unimpressive.

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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#25 - 2015-07-09 20:24:37 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:


Too many "magic rules" and arbitrary crap is going to make the SOV changes just another meh.



For the love of God, CCP please just kill all SOV mechanics and let the players work it out. Kill SOV or you kill the game. I'm seeing sub 15K logged in and I got people running missions un-molested with 2 wardecs going.


Summertime used to be full of epic because people had time to screw around. Now it's practically dead out there. Even the gankers are not seen much these days.


You should swing by the Optometrist for a checkup, mate. There are 29000+ logged in.



I'm not logged in all day. I play in PST at night and have seen a significant drop.

Or maybe the leftoids in PST have decided to all go live in a commune out in the woods or something. I don't know.


Well I suppose that it's possible that 14000+ players logged in during the 45 whole minutes between our posts Roll

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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#26 - 2015-07-09 21:38:16 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:


Too many "magic rules" and arbitrary crap is going to make the SOV changes just another meh.



For the love of God, CCP please just kill all SOV mechanics and let the players work it out. Kill SOV or you kill the game. I'm seeing sub 15K logged in and I got people running missions un-molested with 2 wardecs going.


Summertime used to be full of epic because people had time to screw around. Now it's practically dead out there. Even the gankers are not seen much these days.


You should swing by the Optometrist for a checkup, mate. There are 29000+ logged in.



I'm not logged in all day. I play in PST at night and have seen a significant drop.

Or maybe the leftoids in PST have decided to all go live in a commune out in the woods or something. I don't know.


Well I suppose that it's possible that 14000+ players logged in during the 45 whole minutes between our posts Roll



Look I've been playing from my present time zone since mid 2008 and it just seemed more lively back then. Or maybe it was the space dinosaurs.

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Fuzzwork Enterprises
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#27 - 2015-07-09 22:06:17 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
HeXxploiT wrote:


Big deal. How hard is it to make an alliance. All one needs is two corporations joined together so two people?

Do you even need two?
You do need a billion ISK.



1 player, with a billion isk to spare can make an alliance of their own. If they wanted to, say, advertise they're running for CSM in every post on the forums.

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#28 - 2015-07-09 22:13:54 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:

If your goal does not include completing the capture process, why should you be required to be in an alliance?


If your goal does not include completing the capture process, why should you be allowed to do it in the first place?

There are plenty of other ways to troll in this game. Sov should be about taking and controlling territory, not weaponizing banality.

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Vincent Athena
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#29 - 2015-07-09 23:49:54 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Vincent Athena wrote:

If your goal does not include completing the capture process, why should you be required to be in an alliance?


If your goal does not include completing the capture process, why should you be allowed to do it in the first place?


Are you saying that if I am in an alliance, but I have no intention of completing the capture process, then I should not be allowed to knock a station into freeport? How will that rule be enforced?

Being in an alliance does not equal the intent to do anything.

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Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#30 - 2015-07-10 03:59:15 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:


Too many "magic rules" and arbitrary crap is going to make the SOV changes just another meh.



For the love of God, CCP please just kill all SOV mechanics and let the players work it out. Kill SOV or you kill the game. I'm seeing sub 15K logged in and I got people running missions un-molested with 2 wardecs going.


Summertime used to be full of epic because people had time to screw around. Now it's practically dead out there. Even the gankers are not seen much these days.


You should swing by the Optometrist for a checkup, mate. There are 29000+ logged in.


late night US TZ it does get pretty dead, although looking at eve-offline.net it looks like 15k is about the lowest it goes (at least on the 3m graph). From what I can see if it goes below that it is because of downtime.

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Borat Guereen
Doomheim
#31 - 2015-07-10 05:30:49 UTC
Steve Ronuken wrote:
Vincent Athena wrote:
HeXxploiT wrote:


Big deal. How hard is it to make an alliance. All one needs is two corporations joined together so two people?

Do you even need two?
You do need a billion ISK.



1 player, with a billion isk to spare can make an alliance of their own. If they wanted to, say, advertise they're running for CSM in every post on the forums.


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Sequester Risalo
Significant Others
#32 - 2015-07-10 07:44:15 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Well ****, why don't we take this a step further... What about NPC corps? Why cant NPC Corps take Sov with the new system??!?!?!
Why cant 1 man corps take sov??!?!
Why cant completely NPC organizations take/retake sov!?!?!
Why can cats run exploration sites, but cant take sov?!??!
What happens if the Walnuts return!?!?
What the hell is this sticky crap on my desk?!?!?!
Who took my stapler?!??!
What is the average airspeed velocity of an unlaiden swallow!?!?!?
Who shot J.R!?!?!!?
How many of these used !??!!!? appropriately?!?!!?!
Why was my favorite taco truck out of salsa?!?!?!
Where in the world was Carmen SanDiego?!??!!?
What would you do for a Klondike bar?!?!?!



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Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#33 - 2015-07-10 08:18:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Vincent Athena wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Vincent Athena wrote:

If your goal does not include completing the capture process, why should you be required to be in an alliance?


If your goal does not include completing the capture process, why should you be allowed to do it in the first place?


Are you saying that if I am in an alliance, but I have no intention of completing the capture process, then I should not be allowed to knock a station into freeport? How will that rule be enforced?

Being in an alliance does not equal the intent to do anything.

The restriction is on starting a sovereignty capture event as starting a capture event is an Alliance action.

Corps not part of an alliance have no way to capture sov, so rightly so have no need to start a capture event that by definition they can't achieve anyway.

Kaarous's comment was just in line with that. If a Corp wants to start capture events, then join an Alliance. If you're in an Alliance, then troll all you like. We can't really expect the game to know your intent, only whether the mechanics even apply to you or not.
Falken Falcon
#34 - 2015-07-10 09:24:06 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Vincent Athena wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Vincent Athena wrote:

If your goal does not include completing the capture process, why should you be required to be in an alliance?


If your goal does not include completing the capture process, why should you be allowed to do it in the first place?


Are you saying that if I am in an alliance, but I have no intention of completing the capture process, then I should not be allowed to knock a station into freeport? How will that rule be enforced?

Being in an alliance does not equal the intent to do anything.

The restriction is on starting a sovereignty capture event as starting a capture event is an Alliance action.

Corps not part of an alliance have no way to capture sov, so rightly so have no need to start a capture event that by definition they can't achieve anyway.

Kaarous's comment was just in line with that. If a Corp wants to start capture events, then join an Alliance. If you're in an Alliance, then troll all you like. We can't really expect the game to know your intent, only whether the mechanics even apply to you or not.
Their idea is that why can't a strong corp initiate the capture if they can do it. There are larger and stronger corporations than some alliances are. They wanna know why is the alliance a requirement.

And the answer to it is the reduced "sov trolling" that the alliance requirement brings. If you are strong enough to take and hold a sov, you should be able to create a simple alliance for your corp.

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Anthar Thebess
#35 - 2015-07-10 09:37:39 UTC
This is good rule, especially that any one can create corp and alliance , so i don't see any problem.
Just make : Random Harassing Corporation and alliance Your Prime Time Belong To Us and you can do whatever you want.

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Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#36 - 2015-07-10 09:59:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Barrogh Habalu
Vincent Athena wrote:
Are you saying that if I am in an alliance, but I have no intention of completing the capture process, then I should not be allowed to knock a station into freeport? How will that rule be enforced?

Being in an alliance does not equal the intent to do anything.

I suppose the idea is that if you want a freeport, then you must be able to capture the territory, hold it, then declare that it's a freeport (providing proper rights to everyone) and anyone who messes up with this status and your enforcement of it will be shot.

That said, arbitrary restriction that says you must wear your alliance tabard is all kinds of arbitrary and easily sidestepped with no gameplay involved, so I'm not sure what does it achieves.

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Burnharder
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#37 - 2015-07-10 10:05:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Burnharder
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:


Too many "magic rules" and arbitrary crap is going to make the SOV changes just another meh.


The choice for a developer here is "make magic rule" or "engineer or refactor the current solution". The former is easier (and a lot cheaper to do) than the latter. But you're right, magic rules make for terrible gameplay and worse, like our current tax code (15,000 pages and increasing) they make the whole system more complex and difficult to change in the future.

With respect to the OP, unaffiliated corps still have a role helping the alliance hold the field, which you still need to do to capture a system.
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#38 - 2015-07-10 15:12:33 UTC
Sequester Risalo wrote:
Arent there any videos about platypuses anymore?


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Borat Guereen
Doomheim
#39 - 2015-07-13 19:54:43 UTC
One of our clandestine cell's lead, Saisin, has brought to the Chao3 Revolutionary Council an idea that has been adopted and put into motion.

Rogue Operatives Corp will allow anyone to start Entosis capture on Stations, iHUB and TCUs

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Saisin
Chao3's Rogue Operatives Corp
#40 - 2015-07-13 20:15:38 UTC
Borat Guereen wrote:
One of our clandestine cell's lead, Saisin, has brought to the Chao3 Revolutionary Council an idea that has been adopted and put into motion.

Rogue Operatives Corp will allow anyone to start Entosis capture on Stations, iHUB and TCUs


The recruitment thread can be found here.

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