EVE General Discussion

Huh, i am such the opposite of what you describe. 10 years or so grinding this **** out, and you know what i hate stats..stats are akin to driving a nail through the head of ones ****.

I figured out very early that the social aspect of the game is what made things happen. And that forging social bonds actually helped me survive and thrive.

Not stats.

I just pushed button, look at when it is to be finished shrug shoulders and then play the game with in the limits of my skills.

Now it is pretty moot. now I just push button on the longest skill of somesort so I can ignore it or stack up my skill que for a over a year, and when one finsihes it is momentary "oh cool" and then do whatever it was i was doing.

I insist you stop being logical at once!

I don't see the big fuss.

Remaps add depth and planning, yes. It rewards me for spending half an hour working out how to train my alts before I throw in the implants, remap, and let them gestate for a couple months. Can't say that I'd really be bothered if I lost that 30 mins of content.

Now if this were to be an intended discussion about improving it rather than removing it, I'd say..

• Add a couple points on max cap per attribute.
• Add in some extra points to spend into attributes.
• The catch is, as you start to reach max cap on an attribute, it costs more points.

In this way, you can put a couple more attribute points into a single attribute, but also you can otherwise choose to simply balance all your attributes so that you wind up with a little better training speed across the board. This simply does not remove consequences, but gives a greater flexibility in decision making. Of course the least optimal would be trying to put as many points as you can into two attributes, being a bit more as it is now.

I'm not saying that it's what I want, but simply a possible change that is logical to the system while still retaining the consequences.

I've always viewed attributes as a way for people to put in more effort to maximise their skill training and not as a "you need to do this to be competitive". My main has had a (fairly) balanced remap for most of his career and I don't feel like I've lost out as a result. I also think that allowing you to train certain groups of skills faster at the expense of others is balanced and is a meaningful choice (something CCP are apparently striving for).

Removing attributes and doing nothing else does just remove a layer of depth from the game, and for what gain? EvE is not, and barring massive changes never will be be, an intuitive game for a new player. It is a game about planning and just like most everything else in the game if you put more time and thought into your attributes / skill plan you can get more of a reward back from it. I would not be against reworking attributes to make them more relevant but flat out removing the depth they currently provide is bad in my opinion.

Actually, CCP already ruined the depth when they introduced the neural remaps. Now they may as well just finish the job and get rid of the attributes once and for all, their purpose is lost already.

I'm all for complexity and death penalties, but I just don't think attributes add anything. Ship implants make perfect sense, they have a function, but I just don't see why the implants are there to make people train faster. I'd much rather have other things help you train faster, maybe actually doing the thing you want to train? For example using the Hybrid turrets giving you a slight boost while you're training them.

Maybe get rid of the stupid training system, something that is becoming so trivial for older players. What about using a SWG Pre CU system where you have a skill cap and you have to switch around wen you want to do something else. Then combine that with training what you're doing like I said above and put in that Valkyrie combat system so tie it altogether.

Something needs to change for EVE to stay relevant, it cannot stay the same in fear of pissing people off. If something doesn't work then roll back, don't do what SOE does and ignore the players, but you need to keep pushing forward and making changes.

I read all these post and listen to the complaints..... For some strange reason the only thing that is registering to me is the bitter vet tears that are going non-collected. All it took me was a google search, watching a 5 minute video on youtube, and 20 minutes to plan out my neural remap and training queue to max out the amount of SP per hour (2700 is the max you can get by the way.)

Less yappin', more flying/shooting/pirating/what ever..... Back to the game. Some of you are sounding off like World of Warcraft players.

It's almost like eve is a team game or something.