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Gallente tactical destroyer - Forced to use MWD setups not fun.

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Nidal Fervor
Doomheim
#101 - 2015-07-09 18:37:17 UTC
Syrilian wrote:
Nidal Fervor wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Nidal Fervor wrote:
I am forced to use MWD or else I won't be taking advantage of the propulsion mode


And?

You can still fit an AB on it.


Tried it, it's not a good idea, there are much better T3 destroyers for that; all of the others.


Then fly those.


Didn't you read the thread? Already am. I was before I even posted this thread.
Syrilian
Doomheim
#102 - 2015-07-09 18:42:15 UTC
Nidal Fervor wrote:
Syrilian wrote:
Nidal Fervor wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Nidal Fervor wrote:
I am forced to use MWD or else I won't be taking advantage of the propulsion mode


And?

You can still fit an AB on it.


Tried it, it's not a good idea, there are much better T3 destroyers for that; all of the others.


Then fly those.


Didn't you read the thread? Already am. I was before I even posted this thread.


Yep I read it. Okay, so continue to fly those and stop bitching that you can't fly a ship the way you want that isn't designed to be flown that way when they are already ships that can do what you want to do.
Stitch Kaneland
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#103 - 2015-07-09 19:13:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Stitch Kaneland
Nidal Fervor wrote:
Stitch Kaneland wrote:


Wait.. so the optimal bonus on the svipul does almost nothing for acs?! I demand CCP change this so all my modes and bonuses are viable. Isnt OP flying svipul now? Blasphemy! He is using a t3d with an under utilized bonus.


That's just one bonus. All of the t3 destroyers have a useless bonus for basically every fit. The hecate just has more useless bonuses than the rest. Balance!


What other t3d can do 700dps with 11k EHP before AAR? Only the hectate you say? I wish my jackdaw did 700dps. Should i make a whine post about that?

Actually the svipul has no wasted bonus. Optimal is good for arty. As is tracking. So wheres that wasted bonus? Oh you mean wasted because it doesnt fit YOUR idea of what the ship should be. Got it.
Angelica Dreamstar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#104 - 2015-07-09 19:16:56 UTC
Stitch Kaneland wrote:
Nidal Fervor wrote:
Stitch Kaneland wrote:


Wait.. so the optimal bonus on the svipul does almost nothing for acs?! I demand CCP change this so all my modes and bonuses are viable. Isnt OP flying svipul now? Blasphemy! He is using a t3d with an under utilized bonus.


That's just one bonus. All of the t3 destroyers have a useless bonus for basically every fit. The hecate just has more useless bonuses than the rest. Balance!


What other t3d can do 700dps with 11k EHP before AAR? Only the hectate you say? I wish my jackdaw did 700dps. Should i make a whine post about that?

Actually the svipul has no wasted bonus. Optimal is good for arty. As is tracking. So wheres that wasted bonus? Oh you mean wasted because it doesnt fit YOUR idea of what the ship should be. Got it.

You can push a cat to 700dps. A hecate goes higher than that. Just saying. Lol

bingo, his pig not being a goat doesn't make the pig wrong, just him an idiot for shouting at his pig "WHY ARENT YOU A GOAT!" (Source)

-- Ralph King-Griffin, about deranged people playing EVE ONLINE

Stitch Kaneland
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#105 - 2015-07-09 19:40:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Stitch Kaneland
Angelica Dreamstar wrote:
Stitch Kaneland wrote:
Nidal Fervor wrote:
Stitch Kaneland wrote:


Wait.. so the optimal bonus on the svipul does almost nothing for acs?! I demand CCP change this so all my modes and bonuses are viable. Isnt OP flying svipul now? Blasphemy! He is using a t3d with an under utilized bonus.


That's just one bonus. All of the t3 destroyers have a useless bonus for basically every fit. The hecate just has more useless bonuses than the rest. Balance!


What other t3d can do 700dps with 11k EHP before AAR? Only the hectate you say? I wish my jackdaw did 700dps. Should i make a whine post about that?

Actually the svipul has no wasted bonus. Optimal is good for arty. As is tracking. So wheres that wasted bonus? Oh you mean wasted because it doesnt fit YOUR idea of what the ship should be. Got it.

You can push a cat to 700dps. A hecate goes higher than that. Just saying. Lol

Cata lacks mids and speed. Something the hectate isnt handicapped by. Im sure it can go higher with void and dmg rig. Think what i saw was a dual mag stab, aar, dcu + transverse rigs doing about 750dps cold with 11.4k EHP. Deimos dps with half the sig. Seems pretty spooky to me :)

Which in typical gheylante fashion. Its potentially one of the strongest t3d. No other t3d can get close to that damage.
Angelica Dreamstar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#106 - 2015-07-09 19:49:39 UTC
Stitch Kaneland wrote:
Angelica Dreamstar wrote:
Stitch Kaneland wrote:
Nidal Fervor wrote:
Stitch Kaneland wrote:


Wait.. so the optimal bonus on the svipul does almost nothing for acs?! I demand CCP change this so all my modes and bonuses are viable. Isnt OP flying svipul now? Blasphemy! He is using a t3d with an under utilized bonus.


That's just one bonus. All of the t3 destroyers have a useless bonus for basically every fit. The hecate just has more useless bonuses than the rest. Balance!


What other t3d can do 700dps with 11k EHP before AAR? Only the hectate you say? I wish my jackdaw did 700dps. Should i make a whine post about that?

Actually the svipul has no wasted bonus. Optimal is good for arty. As is tracking. So wheres that wasted bonus? Oh you mean wasted because it doesnt fit YOUR idea of what the ship should be. Got it.

You can push a cat to 700dps. A hecate goes higher than that. Just saying. Lol

Cata lacks mids and speed. Something the hectate isnt handicapped by. Im sure it can go higher with void and dmg rig. Think what i saw was a dual mag stab, aar, dcu + transverse rigs doing about 750dps cold with 11.4k EHP. Deimos dps with half the sig. Seems pretty spooky to me :)

Which in typical gheylante fashion. Its potentially one of the strongest t3d. No other t3d can get close to that damage.

Yeah it's a dps monster when you get close, which there is even a bonus for in form of the mwd bonus. Sadly it seems some weird people want it rather fully overpowered with easy beating of bigger ships... glad that's not happening. Lol

bingo, his pig not being a goat doesn't make the pig wrong, just him an idiot for shouting at his pig "WHY ARENT YOU A GOAT!" (Source)

-- Ralph King-Griffin, about deranged people playing EVE ONLINE

Nidal Fervor
Doomheim
#107 - 2015-07-09 20:46:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Nidal Fervor
Stitch Kaneland wrote:
Nidal Fervor wrote:
Stitch Kaneland wrote:


Wait.. so the optimal bonus on the svipul does almost nothing for acs?! I demand CCP change this so all my modes and bonuses are viable. Isnt OP flying svipul now? Blasphemy! He is using a t3d with an under utilized bonus.


That's just one bonus. All of the t3 destroyers have a useless bonus for basically every fit. The hecate just has more useless bonuses than the rest. Balance!


What other t3d can do 700dps with 11k EHP before AAR? Only the hectate you say? I wish my jackdaw did 700dps. Should i make a whine post about that?

Actually the svipul has no wasted bonus. Optimal is good for arty. As is tracking. So wheres that wasted bonus? Oh you mean wasted because it doesnt fit YOUR idea of what the ship should be. Got it.


It wasn't me who complained about the svipul, dumbass, it was another guy. I just replied to him. Got it (stupid comment throwback to guy who thinks he is tough, keyboard warrior LOL)

Hecate DPS blah blah, it's not all about DPS.
Stitch Kaneland
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#108 - 2015-07-09 21:10:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Stitch Kaneland
Nidal Fervor wrote:
Stitch Kaneland wrote:
Nidal Fervor wrote:
Stitch Kaneland wrote:


Wait.. so the optimal bonus on the svipul does almost nothing for acs?! I demand CCP change this so all my modes and bonuses are viable. Isnt OP flying svipul now? Blasphemy! He is using a t3d with an under utilized bonus.


That's just one bonus. All of the t3 destroyers have a useless bonus for basically every fit. The hecate just has more useless bonuses than the rest. Balance!


What other t3d can do 700dps with 11k EHP before AAR? Only the hectate you say? I wish my jackdaw did 700dps. Should i make a whine post about that?

Actually the svipul has no wasted bonus. Optimal is good for arty. As is tracking. So wheres that wasted bonus? Oh you mean wasted because it doesnt fit YOUR idea of what the ship should be. Got it.


It wasn't me who complained about the svipul, dumbass, it was another guy. I just replied to him. Got it (stupid comment throwback to guy who thinks he is tough, keyboard warrior LOL)

Hecate DPS blah blah, it's not all about DPS.


I know reading comprehension is hard. So i'll try and break it down for you.

You're complaining about MWD bonus not being useful to AB fits. Saying that if you fit an AB, you are not utilizing a bonus and that some how makes the ship worthless, dumb, or some other whiney rant.

I said that if you use ac's on a svipul you are not utilizing the optimal bonus of the svipul. Since ac's (especially small) have almost non existant optimal. Therefore, by your logic, the svipul is a terrible ship since its more tailored for arty than ac. Meaning you're FORCED into using arty (you're not). In case you missed it, ac svipuls are far more common than arty svipuls.

Then you proceeded to tell me that every t3d has wasted bonuses. At which point i used the svipul as an example again. Stating the optimal and tracking bonuses can do wonderful things for arty. So its only a "wasted" bonus because it doesnt fit YOUR idea of what the ship should be.

Be creative and im sure you can make it work. That clear things up for you, cupcake?
Angelica Dreamstar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#109 - 2015-07-09 21:16:40 UTC
Nidal Fervor wrote:
... dumbass ...
I know you don't behave like that IRL, because people will not tolerate it and slap you for it... rightfully so. I absolutely hope someone, at some point in the close future, hits you so hard in the face you bleed, so you learn that certain behaviour has certain consequences.

Because if you don't learn it this way and eventually run your mouth against the wrong person, your life might as well end right there.


You deserve no respect or attention anymore.


Good luck getting through life.

bingo, his pig not being a goat doesn't make the pig wrong, just him an idiot for shouting at his pig "WHY ARENT YOU A GOAT!" (Source)

-- Ralph King-Griffin, about deranged people playing EVE ONLINE

Baaldor
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#110 - 2015-07-09 21:22:24 UTC
Angelica Dreamstar wrote:
Nidal Fervor wrote:
... dumbass ...
I know you don't behave like that IRL, because people will not tolerate it and slap you for it... rightfully so. I absolutely hope someone, at some point in the close future, hits you so hard in the face you bleed, so you learn that certain behaviour has certain consequences.

Because if you don't learn it this way and eventually run your mouth against the wrong person, your life might as well end right there.


You deserve no respect or attention anymore.


Good luck getting through life.



Yeah this is where Darwinism steps in.

(In game of course)
Nidal Fervor
Doomheim
#111 - 2015-07-09 21:23:35 UTC
Stitch Kaneland wrote:
Nidal Fervor wrote:
Stitch Kaneland wrote:
Nidal Fervor wrote:
Stitch Kaneland wrote:


Wait.. so the optimal bonus on the svipul does almost nothing for acs?! I demand CCP change this so all my modes and bonuses are viable. Isnt OP flying svipul now? Blasphemy! He is using a t3d with an under utilized bonus.


That's just one bonus. All of the t3 destroyers have a useless bonus for basically every fit. The hecate just has more useless bonuses than the rest. Balance!


What other t3d can do 700dps with 11k EHP before AAR? Only the hectate you say? I wish my jackdaw did 700dps. Should i make a whine post about that?

Actually the svipul has no wasted bonus. Optimal is good for arty. As is tracking. So wheres that wasted bonus? Oh you mean wasted because it doesnt fit YOUR idea of what the ship should be. Got it.


It wasn't me who complained about the svipul, dumbass, it was another guy. I just replied to him. Got it (stupid comment throwback to guy who thinks he is tough, keyboard warrior LOL)

Hecate DPS blah blah, it's not all about DPS.


I know reading comprehension is hard. So i'll try and break it down for you.

You're complaining about MWD bonus not being useful to AB fits. Saying that if you fit an AB, you are not utilizing a bonus and that some how makes the ship worthless, dumb, or some other whiney rant.

I said that if you use ac's on a svipul you are not utilizing the optimal bonus of the svipul. Since ac's (especially small) have almost non existant optimal. Therefore, by your logic, the svipul is a terrible ship since its more tailored for arty than ac. Meaning you're FORCED into using arty (you're not). In case you missed it, ac svipuls are far more common than arty svipuls.

Then you proceeded to tell me that every t3d has wasted bonuses. At which point i used the svipul as an example again. Stating the optimal and tracking bonuses can do wonderful things for arty. So its only a "wasted" bonus because it doesnt fit YOUR idea of what the ship should be.

Be creative and im sure you can make it work. That clear things up for you, cupcake?


Whoa! Huge response; calm down dear.
Nidal Fervor
Doomheim
#112 - 2015-07-09 21:27:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Nidal Fervor
Angelica Dreamstar wrote:
Nidal Fervor wrote:
... dumbass ...
I know you don't behave like that IRL, because people will not tolerate it and slap you for it... rightfully so. I absolutely hope someone, at some point in the close future, hits you so hard in the face you bleed, so you learn that certain behaviour has certain consequences.

Because if you don't learn it this way and eventually run your mouth against the wrong person, your life might as well end right there.


You deserve no respect or attention anymore.


Good luck getting through life.


Ooh, bringing real life into it now are we? You're much more likely to be hit in the face than me. I don't need your luck. I'm 30, have a great family and planning to buy my second house soon.

Have fun trolling other people's posts in the the forum all day long, since that seems to be all that you do; you seem to be really involved with that. People with real lives have better things to do.
Angelica Dreamstar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#113 - 2015-07-09 21:34:14 UTC
Nidal Fervor wrote:
Angelica Dreamstar wrote:
Nidal Fervor wrote:
... dumbass ...
I know you don't behave like that IRL, because people will not tolerate it and slap you for it... rightfully so. I absolutely hope someone, at some point in the close future, hits you so hard in the face you bleed, so you learn that certain behaviour has certain consequences.

Because if you don't learn it this way and eventually run your mouth against the wrong person, your life might as well end right there.


You deserve no respect or attention anymore.


Good luck getting through life.


Ooh, bringing real life into it now are we? You're much more likely to be hit in the face than me. I don't need your luck. I'm 30, have a great family and planning to buy my second house soon.
I feel genuinly sorry for the people who are forced to live with you, especially children who did nothing to deserve being around such a self entitled, selfish, hating, immature 30 year old person.

Best wishes to your family, I hope they can do without you.

bingo, his pig not being a goat doesn't make the pig wrong, just him an idiot for shouting at his pig "WHY ARENT YOU A GOAT!" (Source)

-- Ralph King-Griffin, about deranged people playing EVE ONLINE

Baaldor
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#114 - 2015-07-09 21:36:37 UTC
Nidal Fervor wrote:
Angelica Dreamstar wrote:
Nidal Fervor wrote:
... dumbass ...
I know you don't behave like that IRL, because people will not tolerate it and slap you for it... rightfully so. I absolutely hope someone, at some point in the close future, hits you so hard in the face you bleed, so you learn that certain behaviour has certain consequences.

Because if you don't learn it this way and eventually run your mouth against the wrong person, your life might as well end right there.


You deserve no respect or attention anymore.


Good luck getting through life.


Ooh, bringing real life into it now are we? You're much more likely to be hit in the face than me. I don't need your luck. I'm 30, have a great family and planning to buy my second house soon.

Have fun trolling other peoples posts in the the forum all day long, since that seems to be all that you do; you seem to be really involved with that. People with real lives have better things to do.


You know, something about all that really bugs me, first off it comes off as someone that HAS to make the claim on the internet behind a fictitious anonymous persona.

insecure much?

Angelica Dreamstar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#115 - 2015-07-09 21:38:43 UTC
Nidal Fervor wrote:
Have fun trolling other people's posts in the the forum all day long, since that seems to be all that you do; you seem to be really involved with that. People with real lives have better things to do.
Well ... see ... it's not trolling. Most people here will sign you that you're the one who trolls.

You're the one who insults.

You're the one who behaves like a immature little child.


You're also the one who started this thread.

You're many more things, but I'm not willing to lower myself to your level of education.


A life you might have and real it might as well be, but of all things it could be, GOOD is it only in your head.



Again, best wishes to your family, you have received enough of my good will.

bingo, his pig not being a goat doesn't make the pig wrong, just him an idiot for shouting at his pig "WHY ARENT YOU A GOAT!" (Source)

-- Ralph King-Griffin, about deranged people playing EVE ONLINE

Nidal Fervor
Doomheim
#116 - 2015-07-09 21:49:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Nidal Fervor
Angelica Dreamstar wrote:
Nidal Fervor wrote:
Have fun trolling other people's posts in the the forum all day long, since that seems to be all that you do; you seem to be really involved with that. People with real lives have better things to do.
Well ... see ... it's not trolling. Most people here will sign you that you're the one who trolls.

You're the one who insults.

You're the one who behaves like a immature little child.


You're also the one who started this thread.

You're many more things, but I'm not willing to lower myself to your level of education.


A life you might have and real it might as well be, but of all things it could be, GOOD is it only in your head.



Again, best wishes to your family, you have received enough of my good will.


Firstly, you claim to have special powers, because how else could you assume to know anything about my life and my family. Secondly, you claim to be more educated, when you know nothing of my education. Just what powers are these anyway? I bet you're a gypsy palm reader or something.

You're clearly very angry. You try to hide it, but it's clear for all to see; because only someone seething would target a guys family to try to get to him.

This is my final response to you. Have fun with your delusions, and remember to go outside once in a while; trolling others' posts all day is not healthy.
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#117 - 2015-07-09 23:50:13 UTC
OP, there's nothing like testing. How about you fire up a Svipul and I fire up a Hecate and we go see whether the Hecate is unbalanced and useless? I'll even come fly to whichever system you prefer. high, low, null all good.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#118 - 2015-07-10 00:22:55 UTC
Nidal Fervor wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Nidal Fervor wrote:
...I am forced...


Let me stop you right there.

No one is forcing you to do anything.


Anyone can take a sentence out of context by quoting only a small part of it. Well done you, you're a big boy now. Let's put it back into context: I am forced to use MWD or else I won't be taking advantage of the propulsion mode


Some people would argue that they're FORCED to use lasers on an Abaddon or they won't be taking advantage of the laser bonus. But I've seen enough effective artillery-fit Abaddons to know the creative genius of the greater EVE population is lacking. So no, I took nothing out of context.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

Jenshae Chiroptera
#119 - 2015-07-10 00:48:06 UTC
Nidal Fervor wrote:
... Because it's stupid to force people to use MWD or not get any bonus. ...
Tech 3 has always been a power problem and now the power creep is even worse.

CCP had an opportunity to make Tech 3 about utility but failed.
So, your complaints that your over powered ship is not over powered enough looks totally ludicrous to me.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.

Nidal Fervor
Doomheim
#120 - 2015-07-10 08:32:06 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
OP, there's nothing like testing. How about you fire up a Svipul and I fire up a Hecate and we go see whether the Hecate is unbalanced and useless? I'll even come fly to whichever system you prefer. high, low, null all good.


I've tested it, your hecate would lose badly.