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Petition to Caldari State leadership Form:PET01a
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Tony-Vagabond Carter
Chrysos Aigis
#1 - 2015-07-09 20:22:10 UTC
Petitioner name: Tony-Vagabond Carter
Petitioner Corp: Perkone

Petition text:

It is with great regret that I and those signatories listed below must report that Diana Kim, Strike Commander of
State Protectorate, has lost her ever loving mind.

She is entertaining the creation and deployment of weapons banned by interstellar agreement and conventions to the ends of
Genocide and planetary destruction upon the Federation.

Weapons she proposed include:

Biowarfare.
ChemWarfare.
Subspace weaponry.
Isogen 5 based weaponry.
Wormhole based weaponry, specifically sun crushing and planet cracking.

It is our conclusion that, despite her long years of service and training she has lost grip on reality and poses a danger to herself, any under her command and The State.

Quote:
Diana Kim > This would be a military operation to decapitate enemy and to end the war, saving everyone else. Except ones in this system.


For the Good of The State we, myself and signers, petition that she be relieved of militia duty and placed under psychiatric care.

If I refuse to sell you a pie, for the sake of my beliefs or yours.. who really loses out here? Me. I will have lost a sale and possibly future sales, and you will just go to another pie-maker!
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#2 - 2015-07-09 20:26:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Diana Kim
1. No blueprints for the weapon have been developed.
2. No weapons from existing blueprints were constructed.
3. If there are exact laws prohibiting one sort of weapon or another, please give direct link and cite this law in your petition. Please provide links prohibiting each of suggested weapons.
4. Isogen 5 based weaponry was developed, built and used by Her Majesty Empress Sarum. Would you like to petition her instead?

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#3 - 2015-07-09 20:47:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Samira Kernher
Considering the creation and employment of those kind of weapons isn't "mentally deficient." An alpha strike is a valid strategy at times and has been employed by probably every empire that exists today in some war at some time. Until such an action is actually committed, theoretical discussion of such strategy is exactly that: theoretical. Even if it was actually committed, the situation could possibly demand it. There is no harm in discussing this kind of thing.

This petition also serves no purpose. The militia isn't a military and entertains no regulations over the conduct of its personnel. There are people in the 24IC who have acted in far worse ways than SCDR Kim has, even to having their actions condemned by a Grand Inquisitor of the Ministry of Internal Order, who have been left alone. All that this thread really is is a statement of your negative opinion with regard to SCDR Kim's opinions.

I don't agree with everything that she says. But I don't see the point in this sort of post.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#4 - 2015-07-09 20:47:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Pieter Tuulinen
Contemplating the use of planetary scale weapons against the Gallente is not a crime against the State - if it is then I humbly submit myself to the judgement of the CEP right alongside Commander Kim, because after the loss of Shiigeru I, myself, contemplated exactly that.

I expect you to subpoena the shade of Admiral Tovil-Toba to stand trial with the pair of us.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Candi LeMew
Division 13
#5 - 2015-07-09 21:24:32 UTC
Tony-Vagabond Carter wrote:
Isogen 5 based weaponry.
Wormhole based weaponry

Checking in, sir.

🍌

Remember... in Anoikis Bob Is Always Watching...

"I been kicked out of better homes than this" - Rick James
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#6 - 2015-07-09 21:54:41 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Contemplating the use of planetary scale weapons against the Gallente is not a crime against the State - if it is then I humbly submit myself to the judgement of the CEP right alongside Commander Kim, because after the loss of Shiigeru I, myself, contemplated exactly that.

I expect you to subpoena the shade of Admiral Tovil-Toba to stand trial with the pair of us.

I am afraid we won't be able to stand for judgement of the CEP together.
Of course, I would appreciate honor to be presented before the CEP, but unfortunately neither I am a CEO to be judged by CEP, neither CEP performs any judgement function in the State.

Besides that, even if by a some miracle I will manage somehow to become a CEO and stand before CEP, I am afraid it s a common misconception: despite the CEP deals with foreigners, they don't put judgement on foreigners, thus, I am afraid, as a foreigner you won't be able to stand alongside me.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#7 - 2015-07-09 22:20:31 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Contemplating the use of planetary scale weapons against the Gallente is not a crime against the State - if it is then I humbly submit myself to the judgement of the CEP right alongside Commander Kim, because after the loss of Shiigeru I, myself, contemplated exactly that.

I expect you to subpoena the shade of Admiral Tovil-Toba to stand trial with the pair of us.

I am afraid we won't be able to stand for judgement of the CEP together.
Of course, I would appreciate honor to be presented before the CEP, but unfortunately neither I am a CEO to be judged by CEP, neither CEP performs any judgement function in the State.

Besides that, even if by a some miracle I will manage somehow to become a CEO and stand before CEP, I am afraid it s a common misconception: despite the CEP deals with foreigners, they don't put judgement on foreigners, thus, I am afraid, as a foreigner you won't be able to stand alongside me.


Tell me, do you ever get tired of judging your betters and being wrong?

I would think it would become quite tiresome...

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#8 - 2015-07-09 22:33:58 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:

Tell me, do you ever get tired of judging your betters and being wrong?

I would think it would become quite tiresome...

I don't know, when last time did I judge any of my better? Or at least someone equal?
Please excuse me, was too busy judging those, who didn't fit into category of betters or even equals.
Oh, and I didn't tell anything about Mr. Reppola for maybe a week? I don't remember. Why would you else raise question of judging betters? I really haven't judged any of better or equal for rather long time.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#9 - 2015-07-09 22:40:05 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:

Tell me, do you ever get tired of judging your betters and being wrong?

I would think it would become quite tiresome...

I don't know, when last time did I judge any of my better? Or at least someone equal?
Please excuse me, was too busy judging those, who didn't fit into category of betters or even equals.
Oh, and I didn't tell anything about Mr. Reppola for maybe a week? I don't remember. Why would you else raise question of judging betters? I really haven't judged any of better or equal for rather long time.


Because one of us is a Citizen of a Megacorporation and the other is nothing more than a dog of the military. A Mongrel dog, at that - yapping senseless fury at the world around her. I understand that it's hard for dogs when the world around them changes in ways that they don't understand, but any animal ought to be teachable.

What's your excuse?

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#10 - 2015-07-09 22:58:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Diana Kim
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:


Because one of us is a Citizen of a Megacorporation and the other is nothing more than a dog of the military. A Mongrel dog, at that - yapping senseless fury at the world around her. I understand that it's hard for dogs when the world around them changes in ways that they don't understand, but any animal ought to be teachable.

What's your excuse?

Correction. Because of one of us is Citizen of the State and Caldari Officer, and other - is a mercenary in gurista corporation harboring worst enemies of humanity and trying to cover it with service to the Empire, who waves his probably long defunct papers of "Megacorporate" citizenship and dares to insult Caldari officer and citizen.

Excuse? Well, I'll give excuse when I will be talking with someone worthy excuse.
For example, to someone who would have honor to accept a duel and stand for his words, and not cowardly avoiding fight and keeping spamming comms with his bile.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#11 - 2015-07-09 23:15:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Samira Kernher
Kim, you had someone backing you up in this thread. You should try to avoid antagonizing the people that are actually willing to stand up for you, and just take the support for what it is.
iyammarrok
Drunken Beaver Mining
#12 - 2015-07-09 23:59:46 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Contemplating the use of planetary scale weapons against the Gallente is not a crime against the State - if it is then I humbly submit myself to the judgement of the CEP right alongside Commander Kim, because after the loss of Shiigeru I, myself, contemplated exactly that.

I expect you to subpoena the shade of Admiral Tovil-Toba to stand trial with the pair of us.


Pieter, Would you have prefered that the Shiigeru survive for long enough to actually use it's Doomsday upon the surface of Caldari Prime, as per the orders given that day?

Not indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated.
Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#13 - 2015-07-10 01:34:24 UTC
Best to just ignore the madwoman. You'll find more peace and get more done.

Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries: exploring the edge of the known, advancing the state of the art. Would you like to know more?
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#14 - 2015-07-10 01:35:49 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:


Because one of us is a Citizen of a Megacorporation and the other is nothing more than a dog of the military. A Mongrel dog, at that - yapping senseless fury at the world around her. I understand that it's hard for dogs when the world around them changes in ways that they don't understand, but any animal ought to be teachable.

What's your excuse?

Correction. Because of one of us is Citizen of the State and Caldari Officer, and other - is a mercenary in gurista corporation harboring worst enemies of humanity and trying to cover it with service to the Empire, who waves his probably long defunct papers of "Megacorporate" citizenship and dares to insult Caldari officer and citizen.

Excuse? Well, I'll give excuse when I will be talking with someone worthy excuse.
For example, to someone who would have honor to accept a duel and stand for his words, and not cowardly avoiding fight and keeping spamming comms with his bile.


One of the oldest military axioms, Kim-tyuii is this. "Never reinforce failure" Why do you think I have anything to gain by beating you to a bloody pulp in public? Again

I am a mercenary - an old and respected Caldari tradition - in service to a corporation contracted to allies of the State. My sponsoring Corporation has publicly backed me in the past and never repudiated me - you have no ground for your accusations and no proof of any wrongdoing on my part. You also lack the public standing to issue any sort of a binding challenge - so really, what do I have to gain?

None of which changes the fact that you have, in this case, done nothing worthy of being stripped of your title. You being an objectionable human being, and I use the term loosely, doesn't make you a criminal in this case. I hope the petition to strip you for THIS reason is withdrawn, although a petition to reprimand you for supporting a terrorist and criminal might find some traction in fact.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#15 - 2015-07-10 01:37:42 UTC
iyammarrok wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Contemplating the use of planetary scale weapons against the Gallente is not a crime against the State - if it is then I humbly submit myself to the judgement of the CEP right alongside Commander Kim, because after the loss of Shiigeru I, myself, contemplated exactly that.

I expect you to subpoena the shade of Admiral Tovil-Toba to stand trial with the pair of us.


Pieter, Would you have prefered that the Shiigeru survive for long enough to actually use it's Doomsday upon the surface of Caldari Prime, as per the orders given that day?


I believed strongly in the Shiigeru's Commander - that she would not desecrate Home. That faith was borne out in the field.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Liam Antolliere
Doomheim
#16 - 2015-07-10 02:03:59 UTC
To the petitioner,

I may have some rather public and heated disagreements with Commander Kim, we may even have animosity and disgust toward one another; but submitting a public petition of this nature against her is bad form. If you've grievances with Commander Kim such that you seek to revoke her State citizenship and discard her military service record, it should be delivered privately and professionally.

Airing your grievances out in this manner is inviting naught more than a public dogpile against an individual and resembles the most grievous of bandwagon bullying and hatred possibly displayed by a public mob.

It is my sincere hope that you'll remove this petition from the public eye and, should you wish to persist with it, do so with professional discretion among those whom are the only voices that matter in this regard; the Caldari.

Earnestly,

~O.J. Antolliere

"Though the people may hate me, that does not relieve me of my charge."
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#17 - 2015-07-10 02:51:01 UTC
*reaches for popcorn, then stops*

Actually getting tired of popcorn.....

*grabs the chocolate covered malt balls instead*


.......Continue.

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#18 - 2015-07-10 03:39:40 UTC
Forget the popcorn and candy, have a beer instead. Beer makes these kinds of threads mildly amusing after the third or fourth glass.

When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.
Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#19 - 2015-07-10 04:34:46 UTC
Antolliere, no voices matter in this affair. Kim's an independent capsuleer, and has decided that her genocidal and racist aims should be tied with the militia. No power in the cluster can have any effect on that. Indeed, even if I were to want to declare war on her ideals, I couldn't, as she's not in a capsuleer-run organization.

To be honest, though, as much as I consider her hateful and vapid speech detestable, I also consider her powerless. She has little effect on the cluster, save that her braying occasionally results in a headache.

Everyone reading this is advised to ignore the madwoman.

Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries: exploring the edge of the known, advancing the state of the art. Would you like to know more?
James Syagrius
Luminaire Sovereign Solutions
#20 - 2015-07-10 04:49:08 UTC
Well despite all of this and yes her occasional tirade against my kin, she is a delightful conversationalist with impeccable manners. I have little doubt that given time and generosity of spirit she will temper the more volatile elements of her nature. Goodness knows I have.

“Here also are the heralds of his praise."
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