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CCP, How much Isk is currently in Eve?
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Dairusire
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#1 - 2015-07-09 12:59:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Dairusire
I don't know if this question has been asked before, or lots.
However the only forum posts I can find regarding this are from 2011, stating that there is roughly 445 Trillion Isk in eve as of Q4 2010...

Now 5 years on (for the most part), I'm wondering what this figure is now, especially considering the continuing inflation of the market, and decreasing value of the isk.

Cheers :)
Eternus8lux8lucis
Guardians of the Gate
RAZOR Alliance
#2 - 2015-07-09 14:08:41 UTC
Id love to know too, but I hardly doubt CCP will reveal such a figure. In this case the truth will hurt them more than help them. The idea of isk inflation and isk value will be a closely guarded secret. Now that being said maybe CCP will grace us with info but I wont hold my breath on it.

Theres way to much isk in the economy and I think itll just get worse and worse without CCP being able to do much about it. Theyre trying but I think peoples greed and understanding of the game mechanics will prevent them from doing much if anything about it. People are by nature carebears. And want stability and growth in their wallets. Theyve tried making more sinks but I think itll never be enough as people will find ways around those sinks if not avoiding them entirely.

Have you heard anything I've said?

You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?

That's right.

Had to end sometime.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#3 - 2015-07-09 14:11:12 UTC
Eternus8lux8lucis wrote:
Id love to know too, but I hardly doubt CCP will reveal such a figure. In this case the truth will hurt them more than help them. The idea of isk inflation and isk value will be a closely guarded secret. Now that being said maybe CCP will grace us with info but I wont hold my breath on it.

Theres way to much isk in the economy and I think itll just get worse and worse without CCP being able to do much about it. Theyre trying but I think peoples greed and understanding of the game mechanics will prevent them from doing much if anything about it. People are by nature carebears. And want stability and growth in their wallets. Theyve tried making more sinks but I think itll never be enough as people will find ways around those sinks if not avoiding them entirely.


They could probably say how much ISK there is but a CSM once mentioned CCP was unable to make a complete asset list of all the stuff people have in EVE. Something about the script taking more than 24 hours to run but downtime crashing it.
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#4 - 2015-07-09 14:29:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Vincent Athena
Inflation? What inflation?

http://marketsforisk.blogspot.com/2014/04/inflation-in-eve-online.html

The price indices have been remarkably stable for nearly a decade. Really the only thing that is inflating is the PLEX. Is this a PLEX whine thread?

If you feel there is too much ISK in the game, here is what you do:

1) Buy skillbooks from the NPCs. That removes ISK from the game.
2) Jet the skillbooks.
3) Shoot the can.
4) Repeat until you have removed the desired amount of ISK from the game.

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Azda Ja
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2015-07-09 14:37:03 UTC
56783756849785987057856867978590069759850795.

I think.

Grrr.
Hengle Teron
Red Sky Morning
The Amarr Militia.
#6 - 2015-07-09 14:51:37 UTC
I think they have given the answer to this question in their Fanfest Eve Economics presentation.
Big Lynx
#7 - 2015-07-09 14:55:13 UTC
About 4 Gorillions
Fatoria Hemah
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2015-07-09 16:18:47 UTC
Big Lynx wrote:
About 4 Goonillions


I corrected that for yo
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#9 - 2015-07-09 16:33:21 UTC
Dairusire wrote:
I don't know if this question has been asked before, or lots.
However the only forum posts I can find regarding this are from 2011, stating that there is roughly 445 Trillion Isk in eve as of Q4 2010...

Now 5 years on (for the most part), I'm wondering what this figure is now, especially considering the continuing inflation of the market, and decreasing value of the isk.

Cheers :)


I'm not sure there is broad levels of inflation oaverall, it seems to be primarily confined to PLEX....which maybe a superior good for at least a subset of players.

As to your overall question...wasn't it something like 1 trillion ISK/month entered the game, so we are about 60 months from the last economic report...so ballpark 60 trillion ISK?

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Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#10 - 2015-07-09 18:13:45 UTC
Dairusire wrote:
continuing inflation of the market, and decreasing value of the isk.

Are we actually talking about the market, or just the price of plex?

Oh god.
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#11 - 2015-07-09 18:21:03 UTC
Too much.





The real question is: How much ISK is tied up in unsubbed accounts that didnt give me their stuff?

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#12 - 2015-07-09 19:12:05 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Too much.





The real question is: How much ISK is tied up in unsubbed accounts that didnt give me their stuff?


There is also the masses of ISK in still subbed account that will never get spent because there is just too damn much but those are of course less important since they don't apply to your rule...
GordonO
BURN EDEN
#13 - 2015-07-09 20:22:25 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
Inflation? What inflation?

http://marketsforisk.blogspot.com/2014/04/inflation-in-eve-online.html

The price indices have been remarkably stable for nearly a decade. Really the only thing that is inflating is the PLEX. Is this a PLEX whine thread?

.


Really.. so 5 years ago a drake hull cost round 20mil, it now costs double.. I would call that inflation.

I think he was just curious.. but I guess this is what game of trolls is all about Blink

... What next ??
Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
#14 - 2015-07-09 20:40:50 UTC
How about everyone just put their personal wallet amount here and then you add it all up?

I'll start.

146,164,260.89 ISK

@lunettelulu7
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#15 - 2015-07-09 23:20:07 UTC
Lulu Lunette wrote:
146,164,260.89 ISK

Squaring that would probably still be way off.
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#16 - 2015-07-10 00:28:15 UTC
GordonO wrote:


Really.. so 5 years ago a drake hull cost round 20mil, it now costs double.. I would call that inflation.

I think he was just curious.. but I guess this is what game of trolls is all about Blink

Or possibly changes in manufacturing requirements along with industrialists demanding a higher wage for their time.
Not all price changes are inflation. And the mineral price index changes can be traced to direct supply and demand changes.
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#17 - 2015-07-10 01:19:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Webvan
Frostys Virpio wrote:


They could probably say how much ISK there is but a CSM once mentioned CCP was unable to make a complete asset list of all the stuff people have in EVE. Something about the script taking more than 24 hours to run but downtime crashing it.

They would just query a mirror. Could even target active accounts.

How much? *makes a fist and sticks out thumb and pinky to length and rotates wrist back and forth*

I'm in it for the money

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Commander Spurty
#18 - 2015-07-10 10:48:08 UTC
Blimey!

Hope that if they try to answer this, it's done on a mirror

Op : liquid ISK total on active accounts or all accounts (inactive as well?)

Seems pointless to know really.

What did knowing this do to you last time you had the data?

Me, nothing at all.

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#19 - 2015-07-10 10:52:48 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
Inflation? What inflation?

http://marketsforisk.blogspot.com/2014/04/inflation-in-eve-online.html

The price indices have been remarkably stable for nearly a decade. Really the only thing that is inflating is the PLEX. Is this a PLEX whine thread?

If you feel there is too much ISK in the game, here is what you do:

1) Buy skillbooks from the NPCs. That removes ISK from the game.
2) Jet the skillbooks.
3) Shoot the can.
4) Repeat until you have removed the desired amount of ISK from the game.
There's a better way than this.

1) Buy skillbooks from the NPCs. That removes ISK from the game.
2) Sell the skillbooks in Jita for slightly less than NPC price (or slightly more if you can get them to sell near instantly). Now for every skillbook you buy from the NPC market you are chucking away someone else's isk as well as your own.

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Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#20 - 2015-07-10 13:42:35 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Vincent Athena wrote:
Inflation? What inflation?

http://marketsforisk.blogspot.com/2014/04/inflation-in-eve-online.html

The price indices have been remarkably stable for nearly a decade. Really the only thing that is inflating is the PLEX. Is this a PLEX whine thread?

If you feel there is too much ISK in the game, here is what you do:

1) Buy skillbooks from the NPCs. That removes ISK from the game.
2) Jet the skillbooks.
3) Shoot the can.
4) Repeat until you have removed the desired amount of ISK from the game.
There's a better way than this.

1) Buy skillbooks from the NPCs. That removes ISK from the game.
2) Sell the skillbooks in Jita for slightly less than NPC price (or slightly more if you can get them to sell near instantly). Now for every skillbook you buy from the NPC market you are chucking away someone else's isk as well as your own.

If I sell the skillbooks, then the person who buys them will not, themselves, buy them from the NPCs. The result: No more ISK is removed from the game than if I had done nothing. (Except for taxes and broker fees.) Nope, you must destroy them.

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