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Dev blog: Summer of Sov - Transition and Deployment

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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#101 - 2015-07-09 06:52:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
Trinkets friend, excellent posts and spot on in terms of the issue of the API

I really have to ask you CCP about the reason why you decided to put the TCU at the planet only, that destroyed completely my plans to take a single naff system and have the TCU next to a death star POS. Oh well, looks like I will stay in hisec then, ho hum...

EDIT: Actually I should point out to the PL guy, that I said that the CREST/API scoop was utter madness on one of my first posts on the new sov system and that it was not going to help in making conflict local, that CCP failed to listen to those points is their fault and to pretend that this has not been raised until now is totally false.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Cpt Buckshot
i420 Inc
#102 - 2015-07-09 10:23:25 UTC
Once again Eve pulls a fast one on there dedicated player base. So many of these comments are spot on, I really do not need to add anything. Except that my comments would not be positive and prob would not help the situation.
Kenneth Feld
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
#103 - 2015-07-09 11:21:52 UTC
Cpt Buckshot wrote:
Once again Eve pulls a fast one on there dedicated player base. So many of these comments are spot on, I really do not need to add anything. Except that my comments would not be positive and prob would not help the situation.



Where were you when this info was released months ago, before the competition on Duality.

You have had weeks if not months to complain and now at the 11th hour all of a sudden it is a crisis.

Did you even login to duality and see how stuff works.

You noticed PL won the competition handily, we did it to understand how the crap works so when we go to **** in peoples cheerios, we know what we are doing. Winning is just what we do, it comes natural.
Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support
#104 - 2015-07-09 13:06:32 UTC
Kenneth Feld wrote:
Cpt Buckshot wrote:
Once again Eve pulls a fast one on there dedicated player base. So many of these comments are spot on, I really do not need to add anything. Except that my comments would not be positive and prob would not help the situation.



Where were you when this info was released months ago, before the competition on Duality.

You have had weeks if not months to complain and now at the 11th hour all of a sudden it is a crisis.

Did you even login to duality and see how stuff works.

You noticed PL won the competition handily, we did it to understand how the crap works so when we go to **** in peoples cheerios, we know what we are doing. Winning is just what we do, it comes natural.

now if only you did anything relevant on tq lmbo
Kenneth Feld
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
#105 - 2015-07-09 13:44:29 UTC
Promiscuous Female wrote:
Kenneth Feld wrote:
Cpt Buckshot wrote:
Once again Eve pulls a fast one on there dedicated player base. So many of these comments are spot on, I really do not need to add anything. Except that my comments would not be positive and prob would not help the situation.



Where were you when this info was released months ago, before the competition on Duality.

You have had weeks if not months to complain and now at the 11th hour all of a sudden it is a crisis.

Did you even login to duality and see how stuff works.

You noticed PL won the competition handily, we did it to understand how the crap works so when we go to **** in peoples cheerios, we know what we are doing. Winning is just what we do, it comes natural.

now if only you did anything relevant on tq lmbo



Give it about 4 days
Circumstantial Evidence
#106 - 2015-07-09 16:50:11 UTC
I don't think this this has been noted yet, in these comments:

The blog link text, on the Launcher, has a typo:
EVE Launcher wrote:

2015-07-07 15:48:26
Dev blog: Sommer of Sov - Transition and Deployment
Crestor Markham
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#107 - 2015-07-09 17:30:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Crestor Markham
Kenneth Feld wrote:

If you want to see someone else's sov press F10 - type a system name in the search box, press enter, show info, then click on sov tab.

All the info is in game, which means it can be scraped super easy or it can be put on API/Crest


My point was large organizations can scrape the data they need easy enough, the small time peeps can't. If it is public for everyone the system is fair for everyone




That kind of scraping would stand out pretty well and can definitely get you banned depending on how CCP feels like reading their TOS. Plus, as has been noted, the real solution is to remove it from the map as well as the API.

"If it is public for everyone the system is fair for everyone" is bogus. As I said in my reply to you (which you did not answer), it is useful to your alliance, but harmful to mine, for that info to be easily accessible, even if we both have access to it.
SilentAsTheGrave
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#108 - 2015-07-09 17:34:16 UTC
Kenneth Feld wrote:
Promiscuous Female wrote:
Kenneth Feld wrote:
Cpt Buckshot wrote:
Once again Eve pulls a fast one on there dedicated player base. So many of these comments are spot on, I really do not need to add anything. Except that my comments would not be positive and prob would not help the situation.



Where were you when this info was released months ago, before the competition on Duality.

You have had weeks if not months to complain and now at the 11th hour all of a sudden it is a crisis.

Did you even login to duality and see how stuff works.

You noticed PL won the competition handily, we did it to understand how the crap works so when we go to **** in peoples cheerios, we know what we are doing. Winning is just what we do, it comes natural.

now if only you did anything relevant on tq lmbo



Give it about 4 days

And what? PL actually going to take sov or just chest beat from a low sec station some more?
Kenneth Feld
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
#109 - 2015-07-09 18:18:25 UTC
SilentAsTheGrave wrote:
Kenneth Feld wrote:
Promiscuous Female wrote:
Kenneth Feld wrote:
Cpt Buckshot wrote:
Once again Eve pulls a fast one on there dedicated player base. So many of these comments are spot on, I really do not need to add anything. Except that my comments would not be positive and prob would not help the situation.



Where were you when this info was released months ago, before the competition on Duality.

You have had weeks if not months to complain and now at the 11th hour all of a sudden it is a crisis.

Did you even login to duality and see how stuff works.

You noticed PL won the competition handily, we did it to understand how the crap works so when we go to **** in peoples cheerios, we know what we are doing. Winning is just what we do, it comes natural.

now if only you did anything relevant on tq lmbo



Give it about 4 days

And what? PL actually going to take sov or just chest beat from a low sec station some more?


I don't think we staged from lowsec since we took the entirety of drones

That being said, we will pretty much do whatever the **** we want to do, safe to say there isn't **** you can do about it
Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support
#110 - 2015-07-09 23:54:58 UTC
Kenneth Feld wrote:

That being said, we will pretty much do whatever the **** we want to do

except win supercap battles

or headshot vfk
Kenneth Feld
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
#111 - 2015-07-10 11:37:58 UTC
Promiscuous Female wrote:
Kenneth Feld wrote:

That being said, we will pretty much do whatever the **** we want to do

except win supercap battles

or headshot vfk



We have our fair share of wins, some losses, but VoV

How many entities could survive B-R and still be around, strong as ever??
Soldarius
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#112 - 2015-07-10 14:08:05 UTC
Yroc Jannseen wrote:


I don't see a lot of hard facts. I see a lot of "it's possible", including going so far as to say you shouldn't have api info, because there's a possibility people will bot and violate the EULA.

I love seeing people who have never spent a second hunting and killing siphons talk about how they are magically killed by the api.


It is fact that it is possible.

My opinion is that active data being served to the populace is a bad idea.

I never said the API kills anything. Only that it is possible to have an entirely automated system that does, and that that system is enabled by the API.

For those that choose to do things within what is allowed by the EULA/TOS, they usually have a POS nanny alt in an inty somewhere nearby that they log in and then travel from POS to POS killing the siphons.

There is no hunting involved when an entirely automated system tells everyone on the list of mail recipients that POS X in system Y at planet a-b has z siphons on it.

http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY
Yroc Jannseen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#113 - 2015-07-10 14:23:38 UTC
Soldarius wrote:
Yroc Jannseen wrote:


I don't see a lot of hard facts. I see a lot of "it's possible", including going so far as to say you shouldn't have api info, because there's a possibility people will bot and violate the EULA.

I love seeing people who have never spent a second hunting and killing siphons talk about how they are magically killed by the api.


It is fact that it is possible.

My opinion is that active data being served to the populace is a bad idea.

I never said the API kills anything. Only that it is possible to have an entirely automated system that does, and that that system is enabled by the API.

For those that choose to do things within what is allowed by the EULA/TOS, they usually have a POS nanny alt in an inty somewhere nearby that they log in and then travel from POS to POS killing the siphons.

There is no hunting involved when an entirely automated system tells everyone on the list of mail recipients that POS X in system Y at planet a-b has z siphons on it.


This theoretical system sounds great, too bad it's not a reality.

I'm also really interested who you are asserting is breaking the EULA to fight siphons?
Crestor Markham
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#114 - 2015-07-10 16:35:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Crestor Markham
Yroc Jannseen wrote:
Soldarius wrote:
Yroc Jannseen wrote:


I don't see a lot of hard facts. I see a lot of "it's possible", including going so far as to say you shouldn't have api info, because there's a possibility people will bot and violate the EULA.

I love seeing people who have never spent a second hunting and killing siphons talk about how they are magically killed by the api.


It is fact that it is possible.

My opinion is that active data being served to the populace is a bad idea.

I never said the API kills anything. Only that it is possible to have an entirely automated system that does, and that that system is enabled by the API.

For those that choose to do things within what is allowed by the EULA/TOS, they usually have a POS nanny alt in an inty somewhere nearby that they log in and then travel from POS to POS killing the siphons.

There is no hunting involved when an entirely automated system tells everyone on the list of mail recipients that POS X in system Y at planet a-b has z siphons on it.


This theoretical system sounds great, too bad it's not a reality.

I'm also really interested who you are asserting is breaking the EULA to fight siphons?


This "theoretical" system is described right here and used by many, many people: http://i.imgur.com/v43Zlsm.jpg But I'm pretty sure you knew that already. write a little app around that and have your alliancemates just check a webpage for which towers need a siphon shot off at any given moment.

One doesn't have to break the EULA to fight siphons with the current API. He's replying to the argument "oh if you remove it from the API the bad guys will write a scraper that gets the info even though it's against the EULA/TOS, so might as well make it available to everybody."
M1k3y Koontz
Speaker for the Dead
Shadow Cartel
#115 - 2015-07-11 17:55:18 UTC  |  Edited by: M1k3y Koontz
What happens to TCUs in unclaimable space, like Wormholes and Thera?

Will new ones be deployable?

How much herp could a herp derp derp if a herp derp could herp derp.
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#116 - 2015-07-13 18:41:22 UTC
Scenario: I have a station service that an enemy entosis linked and managed to complete the incapping process to 10% (90% left to entosis before it is incapped). Now, if I want to fix this service, I need to run 2 full entosis link cycles on it.

Why is the second cycle that reverts the enemy entosis effect not just as long as the difference to be fixed?

UI Improvement Collective

My ridicule, heavy criticism and general pale outlook about your or CCP's ideas is nothing but an encouragement to prove me wrong. Give it a try.
Kenneth Feld
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
#117 - 2015-07-14 14:16:25 UTC
Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
#118 - 2015-08-13 16:12:16 UTC
This **** is ******* pathetic.

Literally all I can say about it.

Not today spaghetti.