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SKINs; the "You don't understand economics" version
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Moac Tor
Cyber Core
Immediate Destruction
#41 - 2015-07-08 23:06:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Moac Tor
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Chribba wrote:
I still wish they were cheaper, I cannot motivate myself paying $15 for one skin. However I'm pretty sure that if they were $5 I would have bought 4 of them without feeling that motivational obstacle - and CCP would have earned more money off me (i've said the same for DUST AUR stuff...)

/c


This exact message has been presented to CCP numerous times.


We trust the CSM about it. Evidence is that CCP still hasn't listened, which is a 4 years (and counting) old tradition in EVE's not-so-micro-transactions. Cool

Have any of you considered that CCP might want these SKINS to retain a level of rarity. If CCP reduces the price to $5 then everyone is going to be flying around in a skinned ship.

It seems obvious to me that CCP want skins should retain some level of rarity, whether that be through the initial plan of making them destructible which I would have preferred, or through the current method of high pricing but only having a one off cost.

Edit - and Chribba, I'm afraid I don't feel sorry for you as you can just purchase every skin off the market with ISK *chuckles*
Reislier
#42 - 2015-07-09 02:10:37 UTC
I think it is the perception of value. As much as I would like one for my Astero and Stratios.. I will not commit that much isk to a trivial cosmetic which could be spent on my in game business... and certainly not real cash. I really do not care how they price these things but I dismissed the idea when I saw pricing.

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Another Posting Alt
Zerious Fricken Biziness
#43 - 2015-07-09 04:17:36 UTC
I don't have a problem with the price.
If there were skins other than "dark green", "dark brown" and "dark grey" for the ships I actually fly I would buy them.
Cypherous
Liberty Rogues
Aprilon Dynasty
#44 - 2015-07-09 04:28:05 UTC
Chribba wrote:
I still wish they were cheaper, I cannot motivate myself paying $15 for one skin. However I'm pretty sure that if they were $5 I would have bought 4 of them without feeling that motivational obstacle - and CCP would have earned more money off me (i've said the same for DUST AUR stuff...)

/c


Very much this, i wouldn't object to paying that for a skin but there is no way in hell i'm paying more for a skin than i would spend on nearly 2 months of game time, sure i could buy it for ISK but because their prices are so linked to current PLEX prices because of the value of aurum its really not worth it for me, i'll buy the odd frigate skin for 20mil on the market but thats about as far as i'll be going
Eternus8lux8lucis
Guardians of the Gate
RAZOR Alliance
#45 - 2015-07-09 04:32:29 UTC
I think that they are high, but high in the short term to promote rarity and must have shopping from the customers that do so. I think that as time rolls on CCP will market more and more of them at cheaper costs on a sliding curve to maximize profits. Getting more and more product out there and lower costs to insure that more people buy them until market saturation. But by keeping some products expensive they are simply creating a value attached to the skins product. That of rarity through price. Its kinda a round about way of doing so but it might work.

That being said I dont think CCP is stupid in that regard but yeah greed is good and they are into making money thats for sure. I just wish that they didnt sell crap skins at high prices. I love the Serenity skins way more style wise than these "correct" faction skins. And have yet to be really amazed or had any impulsive "OOOH SHINY!! I WANTS DAT!!" moments over any of the skins. Sure some look decent but thats about it imo. But then in real life Im not an impulse shopper or a 'must haver' anyway.

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That's right.

Had to end sometime.
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#46 - 2015-07-09 18:25:35 UTC
I have had the ISK, PLEX, AUR, and SKIN relationship explained to me.

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Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
#47 - 2015-07-09 18:41:15 UTC
Chribba wrote:
I still wish they were cheaper, I cannot motivate myself paying $15 for one skin. However I'm pretty sure that if they were $5 I would have bought 4 of them without feeling that motivational obstacle - and CCP would have earned more money off me (i've said the same for DUST AUR stuff...)

/c

+1 to Chribba.

Same for me.

Remove standings and insurance.
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#48 - 2015-07-09 18:47:09 UTC
Chribba wrote:
I still wish they were cheaper, I cannot motivate myself paying $15 for one skin. However I'm pretty sure that if they were $5 I would have bought 4 of them without feeling that motivational obstacle - and CCP would have earned more money off me (i've said the same for DUST AUR stuff...)

/c


I was excited for SKINS, till I saw the price. I did buy a QUAFE mega, and Rattlesnake Victory Edition, but I'm mostly over the whole SKINS thing now, not sure if I want to hold or sell the SKINs I have left

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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#49 - 2015-07-09 19:11:28 UTC
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
Chribba wrote:
I still wish they were cheaper, I cannot motivate myself paying $15 for one skin. However I'm pretty sure that if they were $5 I would have bought 4 of them without feeling that motivational obstacle - and CCP would have earned more money off me (i've said the same for DUST AUR stuff...)

/c


I was excited for SKINS, till I saw the price. I did buy a QUAFE mega, and Rattlesnake Victory Edition, but I'm mostly over the whole SKINS thing now, not sure if I want to hold or sell the SKINs I have left


Quafe is not an acronym. It's a noun. Please edit your post to reflect this.

Mr Epeen Cool
Angelica Dreamstar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#50 - 2015-07-09 19:12:14 UTC
Moac Tor wrote:
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Chribba wrote:
I still wish they were cheaper, I cannot motivate myself paying $15 for one skin. However I'm pretty sure that if they were $5 I would have bought 4 of them without feeling that motivational obstacle - and CCP would have earned more money off me (i've said the same for DUST AUR stuff...)

/c


This exact message has been presented to CCP numerous times.


We trust the CSM about it. Evidence is that CCP still hasn't listened, which is a 4 years (and counting) old tradition in EVE's not-so-micro-transactions. Cool

Have any of you considered that CCP might want these SKINS to retain a level of rarity. If CCP reduces the price to $5 then everyone is going to be flying around in a skinned ship.

It seems obvious to me that CCP want skins should retain some level of rarity, whether that be through the initial plan of making them destructible which I would have preferred, or through the current method of high pricing but only having a one off cost.

Edit - and Chribba, I'm afraid I don't feel sorry for you as you can just purchase every skin off the market with ISK *chuckles*

That's logical, but unlikely. People who use skins want to see their ships, so they play zoomed in, which means they only ever see their own ship anyway. Most PvErs will play zoomed in, because they don't need to skill "Situational Awareness" at all.

You only ever come across lots of other ships when you travel with AP on main routes, or at stations with high docking frequency and that's not that many.

But besides these is it simply extremely unlikely and illogical for CCP not to want as many people as possible to buy the skins. Most likely did they determine the prices by looking at "data", which told them some sort of optimum to go for, with the possibility of several thousands of people suffering from collateral damqge.

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The Slayer
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#51 - 2015-07-09 19:30:36 UTC
These prices are identical to any number of similar items in MMOS and MOBA with similar effects - LoL, WoW, DOTA and Elite Dangerous being the ones that immediately spring to mind. As with those games, not all skins in EVE are £15, there are cheaper and more expensive skins. UNLIKE these other games it is possible in EVE to never pay a penny and get the skins with in game money.
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#52 - 2015-07-09 23:08:40 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
Chribba wrote:
I still wish they were cheaper, I cannot motivate myself paying $15 for one skin. However I'm pretty sure that if they were $5 I would have bought 4 of them without feeling that motivational obstacle - and CCP would have earned more money off me (i've said the same for DUST AUR stuff...)

/c


I was excited for SKINS, till I saw the price. I did buy a QUAFE mega, and Rattlesnake Victory Edition, but I'm mostly over the whole SKINS thing now, not sure if I want to hold or sell the SKINs I have left


Quafe is not an acronym. It's a noun. Please edit your post to reflect this.

Mr Epeen Cool

I can RELATE. Sometimes I get confused ABOUT what should be capitalized. Sometimes I am tempted TO put periods within A.C.R.O.N.Y.M.S.

PLEX, AUR, ISK, SKINs, Scorpions Ishukone Watch.

Help, I can't download EVE

President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub

PLEX: A Giffen good? (It's 1B?)
Dominique Vasilkovsky
#53 - 2015-07-10 10:37:34 UTC
Still can't buy skin that turn the Sleipnir back to its old glory. :(
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#54 - 2015-07-10 13:48:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
I'm somewhat saddend by CCPs actions when it comes to skins. At 1st I was like "who cares about cosmetic junk" but then I saw a freaking GOLD MACHARIEL next to me in an Incursion fleet during the 'bug' and i was instantly hooked. I wanted one, I would have paid actual money right then for one. I was surprised by my own reaction, but damn it, i still want one lol.

I'd bet the real life money I was ready to spend that CCP has (not just now, but over the course of it's history) missed out on a lot of revenue because of getting micro transactions and vanity items wrong time and time again.
Renegade Heart
Doomheim
#55 - 2015-07-10 14:21:47 UTC
Agree with Chribba. $5 is more of a microtransaction than $15. Clearly from responses in this thread, many wouldn't even classify $15 as a microtransaction in the first place.

Initially, calling it the Noble Exchange, I think it's clear CCP were targetting richer players, for vanity items. It was no mass market thing.

Now they are rebranding and tweaking it all, to appeal to wider audience I guess, but I think CCP forgot what microtransactions are supposed to be!
The Slayer
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#56 - 2015-07-10 14:37:38 UTC  |  Edited by: The Slayer
One of the first items CCP released was a $60 monocle. Lets not fool ourselves into thinking that SKINS are the first high price item they've done. At the end of the day you don't HAVE to buy these items, or if you do you don't even need to spend REAL money on them. Buy them with ISK in game.

Also I love the fact that people are flinging around the $15 value, when that is the price of a small selection of the skins, and not the base price for them all. Most of them are MUCH cheaper than this.
Harrison Tato
Yamato Holdings
#57 - 2015-07-10 15:21:43 UTC
Angelica Dreamstar wrote:

That's logical, but unlikely. People who use skins want to see their ships, so they play zoomed in, which means they only ever see their own ship anyway. Most PvErs will play zoomed in, because they don't need to skill "Situational Awareness" at all.



Or they could train D-Scan and zooming in and out!
Reten Kip
Everset Dropbears
#58 - 2015-07-10 16:35:14 UTC
CCP went full ****** from day one with pricing in the NEX store. Their stupid is exacerbated by nobody else ever seeing your cosmetic items. Very few people will ever see your ship skin or the clothes on your toon, so it's basically all for yourself. The advantage that games like WoW and GW2 have is that most cosmetics things you buy are actually seen by pretty much everyone you interact with, and they're STILL cheaper than the BS we have here. $60 for a ******* monocle? Part of me still wishes CCP went out of business for that level of stupidity.
Alek Row
Silent Step
#59 - 2015-07-10 17:05:50 UTC
I find the current Minmatar skins very disappointing but if they were cheap I would buy a few to change the ship skin from time to time. Unfortunately CCP decided to go with macro transactions instead of micro. What?
Knights Armament
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#60 - 2015-07-10 17:15:50 UTC
Lets look at the facts.

CCP needs more money, because game development costs millions. You need advertising money, bribe money, MMA lessons, whatever else it costs to run a company, you think that stuff comes cheap?

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