EVE General Discussion

Just for you they should have given the Hecate a wicked drone bonus but 0 bandwidth ;)

Awesome, except it won't affect me. I've already ditched gallente this time and picked one of the better balanced T3's. Owns Hecate in field tests.

Apologies to Hecate users, I tried; too many stupid people trolling this forum.

Let me get this right, the people who disagree with you for various, and valid, reasons are stupid trolls?

Wind yer neck in.

Someone post fit/stats for MWD/scram/dual web blaster Hecate with AAR hull tank?

This ship is not for sig tanking cruisers, it's for catching things and murdering them with blaster-Deimos equivalent DPS.

Balance and symmetry are not the same thing.

Yes, it is true that MWD bonus are not symmetric across all T3 destroyers. This doesn't mean they are imbalanced (amongst themselves; they are pretty clearly overpowered proportionately to other hull classes). It just means they are different ships.

If the only differences among corresponding ship classes were what weapon type they have bonused and what tank type they use then there would be little point to developing a wide library of ships in Eve.

The point of no MWD bonus on the Hecate is specifically TO make it different than the rest of the T3Ds. It is supposed to feel different, fly different, and be fit different. It's a different ship!

Oh like being forced to use Scourge missiles on a Caldari missile boat....because the bonuses are for kinetic...

I see lots of people pissing in the OPs cheerios about comparing weapon systems and other ship diversity and tank to her issue with prop mods. I think a lot of you are comparing apples and orange and missing her point.

The T3D have different modes, so comparing the capabilities of a mode that intentionally bonuses a specific function and negates other bonuses to provide immediate local balance, is very different from a standard T1 or T2 that is balanced as a whole ship without the ability to adjust its bonus.

Her issue is that in Speed mode, and speed mode only, The Gall ship is bonused only to MWD, where everything else is bonused to all prop mods. That's it - end sentence.

The points of saying I want's laz0rs and projects ww/ my hybrids, is mental masterbation, no other ship has them all, and so your example is poor since in this case, all other ships in the class do have the bonus at issue.

The issue about tank compression is crap, because all the other ships in the class have bonus that lock you to a family of tank (armor, shield, hull (lol)); in this case the bonus locks the Hecate to a module instead of a class while allowing all others in the hull class full access.


Now if other T3D hulls were bonused only to AB or MWD, then I'd say you have a point in telling the OP she can't have it all. But that's just not the case.

That is wrong. The T3D's should be looked at as the whole ship (with 3 diff modes) not just modes alone.

As someone posted above there is difference between symmetry and balance.

If all t3D's were symmetric - everyone would get the same bonuses, except they would be symmetric (bonus to weapon range in Sniper, bonus to AB/MWD speed + agi in Prop and bonus to 2 families of Tank in Def)

..but that is not the case.

To the OP - HTFU, go ahead fly other "better" T3D's, I'll still wreck you in an AB Hecate.

/close thread

Really, got a quote?

Exactly. Sadly, the other T3 dessies are better at this, therefore, i'll stick with the other better designed ones. The other T3 destroyers, despite having slightly less DPS, are far more versatile and have much greater survivability. Even if the Hecate was given an afterburner bonus this would still be the case, just the hecate would be more viable.

I'm only stating facts and figures; sorry to spoil your parade.

You do realise this is supposed to be a fast small ship right? 1500ms should be possible with max implanted claymore links and deadspace afterburner but it's not even close because there's no bonus to basic velocity or afterburner bonus (like all other t3 destroyers get from propulsion mode). It's the only T3 destroyer that forces you to use a MWD or be gimped, which in the case of the hecate, means really gimped.