Wormholes

if you can take out a fleet of say 15-20 people you can easily kill a ratting carrier. We took one down with 9 battlecruisers and a geddon once. Switch out that geddon for say, 3 neut legions and there you go. But I don't think of this as a way to replace the lower spawn rate of existing null connections (though the reduced amount doesn't sound like a ton imo). This would be more of a supplement - a new option to offer more opportunities to roam and get fights. You just have to maybe be more tactical/resourceful in order to take ALL fights.

Or you take out two dozen people and just let the hole collapse and scan a new way home. That's always an option too.

C5 chains in the US timezone have been dead and dull for over a year now. The frequent null access has been the redeaming feature. For my corp at least, the z142s are not an additional feature of the space; they are very much why we live where we do and are a highly valued main attraction. Cutting the sleeper site spawn rate to 10% of the current value would be less anoying than limiting travel to null.

I'm not for or against this idea so much as I don't see the point.

NS won't use it because it's too small to allow for escalations, and even if it were, NS isn't known for day tripping into WH. Especially now that Fozzie is giving all his nullbros 75% more anoms per system there is just no point in leaving the safety of your ratting space when PvE is literally delivered directly to you.

WH won't be able to leverage this well because in Fozziesov all the groups will be in super dense little areas, all of which are within the 5ly safety net of their alliance jump bridge network. If a carrier is tackled (assuming of course the intel doesn't alert him, or the local spike doesn't clue him in) he just lights a cyno and drops the alliance's collective hammer on the small force that would be able to squeeze through these proposed new wormholes.

So, like I said, I just don't see the point.

Now if this was like a big brother to frig holes in that the allowable mass was low (low for a C5/C6/Null anyway), but the mass regenerated so fast that collapsing it was impossible, that may be interesting. Maybe it would get more BS flying, and more ratters dying. Maybe.

Right now, the current null-sec powers are cuddled up in their corners, but I think after the sov mechanics change, there will be people out there taking and contesting sov in a more widespread fashion.

the reason for no bs was cos Iowa Banshee thought it woudl make it to easy for nullsec (grr goon) to collaspe, i'm happy with what ever w space thinks best

I think allowing BSs to go through would be fine. The low mass already limits how many you can put through. Sure it will make them easier to roll but that's part of the idea - they roll quickly and spawn frequently. Besides, if you couldn't jump BSs you could still put a higgs rig on a mauler or something and close it pretty quickly.

cor, you are telling us that we cannot go out to null and kill a Cap without help from another null power.
The latest changes and this idea reduces the wh activity in null to "kill small **** and don't ******* bother us big boys while we play our serious bussines".
Instead of that I propose to revert the changes. In fact, we want more Z142s.

I think this is great idea! but needs a critical tweak. maybe kes is a little slighted being in a low class hole and doesnt mind low mass. This sounds like a good idea for c4 and below. But the reason any pvp entity wants to be in c5-c6 space is to use capitals. otherwise we wouldn't be here. high class wspace has the potential for the highest skill capital piloting in the game (because u usually only get 1 or 2 per fleet), so let us use our capitals! just make it as big as any other null connection.

that being said we can still roam out of these proposed holes... so its a plus for sure. but it just doesn't make sense ya know?

i am saying this in the NICEST WAY I CAN (because i you know i love you kes): really really listen to highclass wormholers (c5-c6) about how they feel about high class null connections.

porque no los dos? maybe use kes's idea in low class and some high mass variation for high class. makes more sense to me.

Lawl Tim <3


But again, these aren't supposed to replace any existing holes and it's not intended to be a supplement to lower spawns of z142. This idea is for an entirely new type of wormhole. Basically I'm hearing about all of these changes that are effecting w-space because of people in null and I wanted to think of a type of wh that would bring a little more fun to w-space that wouldn't cause all of null sec to cry. One of the things I love most about w-space is the danger and unknown of where your connections will be at any given moment. Having connections that spawn frequently but die quickly adds to that and allows for more content and more chains - both things that w-space always needs.

But thinking about what you said, Tim, these could potentially be well served in low-class space too. Perhaps they don't need to be limited to c5/c6 space but can spawn in any class space?

time for a break.