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Covert Fleets to Move Items Starting at 1Billion .

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Pontryvel Crendraven
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2015-07-05 13:56:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Pontryvel Crendraven
I Offer Transport of Items in Covert Blockade Runners, including Payloads delivery and Refueling.

We can increase the Fleets Sizes if Necessary for Additional Fees.


We have Black Ops Ships and Covert Cynos Ships available to safely Move the BRs back and Forth.

(We also have other Covert Ships available to Support this feat, including and not limited to Covert Ops Ships.
Sisters of EVE Ships and Special Edition Ships are not inluded in the limit yet.

covert jumping

Covert Cynosural Field Generator I)


(Sorry, we do not offer non-Covert Jump Freighter Size Cargo at this time.)





I expect the Competition to give me some feedback on this (rewards are offered if the informations are worthwhile).
Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat
#2 - 2015-07-06 19:17:12 UTC
is the service 1bil or is that the size of the collateral?

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Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#3 - 2015-07-07 11:09:01 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
is the service 1bil or is that the size of the collateral?


I assume this service is 1b.

I've seen people offer services like this for collateralized moves of items like researched Titan BPOs or T2 ship BPOs, with collaterals in the low 12 figures and fees in the low ten figures.

I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com

GankYou
9B30FF Labs
#4 - 2015-07-07 11:22:58 UTC  |  Edited by: GankYou
Twenty five BRs are needed to match one JF - can you compete with that?

Well, at least it's covert! Could be useful for some ninja POS refueling. Or maybe not.
Pontryvel Crendraven
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2015-07-07 18:17:42 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
is the service 1bil or is that the size of the collateral?

No, it was 1 billion cost minimum.
No Collateral at this time.
No Insurance at this time.

Maybe, some investors are willing to offer insurance, depending.
They may want to track loses and success records to adjust their rates accordingly.

The Collateral mechanic of the game allows for some security but I would not pay collateral to offer this service.
Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat
#6 - 2015-07-07 18:40:34 UTC
Pontryvel Crendraven wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:
is the service 1bil or is that the size of the collateral?

No, it was 1 billion cost minimum.
No Collateral at this time.
No Insurance at this time.

Maybe, some investors are willing to offer insurance, depending.
They may want to track loses and success records to adjust their rates accordingly.

The Collateral mechanic of the game allows for some security but I would not pay collateral to offer this service.


hmmm sounds like a scam, why should we use this service over red,black,green,blue, whatever frog?

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*

Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
Nornir Empire
#7 - 2015-07-07 19:26:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Elizabeth Norn
Why would anyone choose you over Black Frog? They offer up to 20b collateral while prices start around 100m for a single cyno JF contract.
Almiel
Dark Venture Corporation
#8 - 2015-07-07 19:42:44 UTC
So to quickly summarize....

Give you all my stuff to haul
no collateral
AND give you 1 billion ISK

Pontryvel, if anyone falls for this can you please please PLEASE post the follow-up mails from the person wanting their stuff back? I need some good reading material for the summer.
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#9 - 2015-07-07 23:19:33 UTC
Almiel wrote:
So to quickly summarize....

Give you all my stuff to haul
no collateral
AND give you 1 billion ISK

Pontryvel, if anyone falls for this can you please please PLEASE post the follow-up mails from the person wanting their stuff back? I need some good reading material for the summer.


/signed.

1b isn't a bad price if the collateral is around 100b (small parcel, interceptor friendly) or 20b (full JF load).

I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com

Cidanel Afuran
Grant Village
#10 - 2015-07-08 15:54:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Cidanel Afuran
Without collateral, why on earth would I give anything to a service I have never heard from before and has no testimonials?

Scam smells like a scam
Pontryvel Crendraven
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2015-07-08 16:27:56 UTC
Do you mean that Black Frog or other services are offering to pay Collateral to move Items?

I do not offer to pay collateral.
I will simply refuse to fall to gank squads mechanics.
I will not take responsiblity for the risk of getting destroyed with your cargo.
Either you insure your items / cargo or you don't.

I already run the risk to lose ovr 1b ISK to 10b ISK accepting to move items, and the time it takes, plus risk calculation to derive costs.

I do not work for Black Frog, and if I did, I'd be under NDA for again, the same security risk.

I am not scamming, and I would not steal item or sell info on them.
Simply not, if you have a service that can move your items covertly and pay collateral, then use them, not me.

I will be developing an insurance system and I'm willing to invest with investors to do it yes, but this will not be limited to collateral loss without private MD insurance.

(Please excuse the lenght of the last sentence above, I can break it down into 2 or 3 smaller ones if need be.)

Also, my schedule is extremely busy, and I may not be able to offer the same speedy delivery as Black Frog or other.
so it will take me a few months to sort this up.

bb tomorrow...
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
#12 - 2015-07-08 16:45:27 UTC
The point people are making is that you offer no guarantee (beyond your word) that items will be delivered. Nothing stops you accepting to move a contract then just taking the items, neither does it mean you hold any liability should you fall asleep while travelling, and the price you charge is much higher. With PushX I can get a full JF from NPC delve to Jita with 10b isk collateral delivered within a week for 415m, Black frog can offer 20b collateral across the same distance for 740m. What possible benefit can you offer over other freight services to make yours worth the risk and price?

Quite honestly this whole thread comes across as a troll rather than a legitimate attempt at a service.

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Alexi Stokov
State War Academy
Caldari State
#13 - 2015-07-08 16:59:59 UTC
Troll or this guy has never even looked at how to set up a courier contract and how collateral works with them.
Pontryvel Crendraven
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2015-07-08 17:01:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Pontryvel Crendraven
Lucas Kell wrote:
The point people are making is that you offer no guarantee (beyond your word) that items will be delivered. Nothing stops you accepting to move a contract then just taking the items, neither does it mean you hold any liability should you fall asleep while travelling, and the price you charge is much higher. With PushX I can get a full JF from NPC delve to Jita with 10b isk collateral delivered within a week for 415m, Black frog can offer 20b collateral across the same distance for 740m. What possible benefit can you offer over other freight services to make yours worth the risk and price?

Quite honestly this whole thread comes across as a troll rather than a legitimate attempt at a service.

SOrry for the Quote of your post but
1. I do not offer JF service because I don't have one.
2. I give you my word that if I am asked to move items for my enemies into a trap that they have the right to do business elsewhere.
3. I have never taken an item after accepting a contract, let alone review a contract, besides your open ended clauses above.
4. I have never fallen asleep and I can also video record my trip for security audit review.
5. Why should I be liable for other's traps? Nice try but no. I can ask Black Frog how they get their collat back..?
6. I heard of PushX too but I forgot their offer and again, I do not offer JF for the reason mentionned above.
7. If it's worth it to get a JF then I'd do it, until then, it's just not worth it for me yet.
8. I offered Black Ops, Covert Jump services, and that can include 2 trips or more if the conditions warrants it.
(Simple Arithmetic : 415m x 3 = 1.235b ISK + 740m x 2 = 1.480 b ISK.)
9. I do not offer benefit over freight services since I offer delivery in war zone with Covert Cyno (yes, I Pontryvel won't fly this mission, I'm just a forum / com officer).
10. The reason the clause in case of war, doesn't apply in the same way is because Blockade Runners are equipped to run in war fronts.
Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
Nornir Empire
#15 - 2015-07-08 17:36:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Elizabeth Norn
Almiel
Dark Venture Corporation
#16 - 2015-07-08 17:42:07 UTC
You are free to create any business you like using whatever business model you choose. What people here are saying about your model is, well it stinks. Nobody should use your services because this is Eve and you offer no guarantee other than your word. Again, this is Eve and without a background reputation your word is of quite a low value.

You want to create a startup? Then make the sacrifices and take the risks yourself rather than trying to offload them on your clientele till you gain public trust.
Pontryvel Crendraven
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2015-07-08 17:54:02 UTC
Almiel wrote:
You are free to create any business you like using whatever business model you choose. What people here are saying about your model is, well it stinks. Nobody should use your services because this is Eve and you offer no guarantee other than your word. Again, this is Eve and without a background reputation your word is of quite a low value.

You want to create a startup? Then make the sacrifices and take the risks yourself rather than trying to offload them on your clientele till you gain public trust.

What guarantee would I get from you that once I develop a model which you request it would be better than your wprd?
What about a numerical value to compare on a scale of -1 to 6?

2. I didn't create a model.
3. I think I prefer you don't get my work to stink.
4. Nobody should use my services if all they they want is to fight me, because I would implement ways to keep their items as compensation for damage .

5. For instance, I organize a background reputation to be implemented from my work and present it.
Then, it's again attacked, and proof of justification to discredit the service in spite of unfair competition erupts.
Who will clean up the lava damage, or do you plan to offer PI raw material?

I will not offer a public trust service for covert actitivy, those 2 principle would conflict internally against the less moral nature of the dirty service.
Thanks but, due to increased risks, the model needs to be more simple.
Otherwise, the clients would not be able to benefit and clutter would administer the competition to run me into the ground.

6. By the way, it costed me more than a Titan's worth already, and I did invest it myself yes, not by trying to make others look bad.
I understand that eternal conflict can require covert activity.
Alexi Stokov
State War Academy
Caldari State
#18 - 2015-07-08 18:04:06 UTC
Do you understand how collateral works with courier contracts?
Pontryvel Crendraven
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2015-07-08 18:21:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Pontryvel Crendraven
Alexi Stokov wrote:
Do you understand how collateral works with courier contracts?

yes, I understand, you refer to the ingame contract sub-program, including the public contracts.

However,
Time is of the essence and trolls love to attack when there's no time.
It fuels their chance at hostile takeover.


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(+Those few communications and posts of today took me over 3 hours which I needed for rest.
Yes, but I don't take too lightly those doing frauds about my offers and mean to represent me as a public service when I offer Covert transport.
I will check for improved DUST 514 sharp tools to cut the problem.)
Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat
#20 - 2015-07-08 19:16:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Lan Wang
what exactly is the advantage of using a covert ship over a jump freighter? i dont get what this whole covert business is all about.

this isnt trolling this is simply questioning your business model and why we should risk you over other services, if you consider legitimate questions trolling then i wouldnt expect very much business

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*

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