Player Features and Ideas Discussion

This is misconception.
ISK aren't destroyed in battles. What is getting destroyed - products of other raw materials like minerals, moon goo, random drops etc. Item destruction does incentivise ISK destruction (like, more sales need to happen after wards, some faction mods must be replaced - which destroy ISK by means of NPC taxes, LP caching in etc.), but that is not much in grand scheme of things when it comes to ISK removal.

CCP's income is subscription fee which is paid in real world currently that has little impact on EVE world. Their real income doesn't depend on ISK circulation the same way it doesn't depend on any other resource in EVE directly, it depends on players wanting something to do in their game enough to justify paying for sub for themselves or someone else (via PLEX).

Here comes tricky part - people stay subbed for different reasons. Many of them don't pew and thus they aren't actively participating in asset destruction. Others do. All of them have different role in ISK circulation, some of them very minor, others - not so much. Some of them bite it for content with ship explosions or their replacement, others don't. But as far as CCP are concerned, they all consume a single "resource" in same quantities - gaming time. Price of that time in RL currency may vary (depending on player's region, subscription type etc.), but is roughly the same - unlike any relationship with in-game assets of EVE.

Bottom line is, one person may welp faction BSs daily, another one only stay subbed to post on forums. But they are equal in terms of money CCP get (whether or not one of them plexes is irrelevant - it's still monthly sub paid by someone else). So I'm all ears, how does ISK transfer volumes caused by player translate into CCP revenue?


You need to show us why lowering prices will net CCP enough customers to offset and surpass their losses with sheer number of new paying customers.

I'm especially interested in your answer because you're saying that you can't justify EVE expenses and hence are one of those who thinks that if you will be allowed to pay less to CCP, devs will somehow make more.

Anyway, I personally think that cost of the sub is not the reason EVE doesn't have more players. Premise of EVE repulses people a lot more than prices. And if "bottleneck" of player subs is gameplay itself then you can as well charge more to make maximum out of whatever players you have.

Now, when it comes to in-game barriers for newcomers (original topic of the thread), I do think that SP barrier to use basic modules is the problem. You can always shell some cheap EWAR boats to newbs and they will be fine force multipliers in battles of certain scales. But sitting for 1-2 days doing nothing every time you want them / they want to try different role is daunting for most people. Remember, people try new games out of boredom, and having to not play that new game before being able to, well, sucks a lot.

After that is fixed, it's just on older players, "enablers", to provide newcomers with toys, tasks, guidelines and holy sh*t explanation that if you don't shoot vets solo on daily basis (or aren't part of main DPS fleet body) doesn't mean that you don't make difference in joint ops!

Only thing I ask from CCP in this regard (aside from allowing newbs to use most of T1 mods, not meta, without any skills) is facilitation of purchase / fitting management processes to make preparations for "content generation" less of a pain because f***, right now it's more annoying to buy and transfer those frigs than make ISK to buy them in the first place

And newcomers should probably understand that if they don't enjoy very slow hardware progression, they should join a corp instead of isolate themselves even more in attempts to make ISK for that Raven instead of, you know, enjoying the world around them.

this was a great argument and I would like to thank you for taking your time to respond back. I know a few people that don't play eve because of the high cost and how easy it is to lose what you worked so hard for. What I am trying to do is make is less painful on some players wallet. Because when it comes down to it. Players buy Plex with cash not to sub their accounts. But to sell for ISK. Look at hits for example. A Plex cost $30 and jita sells thousands a day. That's $30,000 a day. 300,000 every 10 days, 90k a month. If numbers increase on the server to 300,000 and Plex were $5 who know how much jita would sell. So for an example lets go with peak number. Jita sells 1000 Plex with 30k players. So if everything stayed the same jita soul sell 10x more Plex. So 1000x10 is 10,000@$5=50,000 a day, $500,000 every 10 days, 1.5 mil a month. The amount destruction and ISK lost would be record breaking with that many people. Those numbers could be 2-3x higher.

dont see how I'm a cry baby the fact that I can rekt you. I'm one of the best 2 yr old players in the game. I punch above my class and I'm capable of shitting down corporation and alliances larger then I. Your statement is invalid. Im speaking for those that can't. I want content. I want to log in and kill people. Pass out, wake up, and slaughter people like you.

yea I'm an Internet badass that stomps are rude and ignorant people that can't seem to read. The first para in the OP said if you don't have anything constructive to say then DONT SAY ANYTHING AT ALL AND MOVE ON. If I could ban you from my post I would.

With respect, if you can't afford $15/mo for a form of entertainment that you spend dozens of hours on every month, you need to spend less time on video games and more time finding a better job IRL.

I have traveled extensively and worked with people in many countries. Point blank, if you can't afford the cost of a subscription to a video game (entertainment) spend less time having fun and more time working.

Being responsible and grown up, you know.

Like I stated before, Russia,India, Philippines, and other countries get paid crap. Computers in their home land can be pieced together by trash or arnt anywhere the price that it cost here. For example. I have a friend that makes $8-10 a day working 12 hrs in Mexico. He has a computer and he steals Internet from the company next door. He lives in a half demolished house. He cannot afford eve ever due to the sub cost. He is still working everyday and playing Dota 2. There are millions like him around the world. Let's make it easier for them to play.