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Best DPS per isk

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Vespa EC-600
The Wakizashi
#1 - 2011-12-30 20:18:19 UTC
This is just theory crafting but I will pose the question anyways.

The idea is to attack a POCO with little regard to what happens to the ship / pod for minimal isk investment. Pod costs can be more than the ship so I chose to ignore them because they would be more time consuming to EFT...

Blasters came to mind for the stationary target so I went for Gallente

Assuming all level 5 the Vexor according to EFT will do 807 DPS with Neutron blaster II's w/ void, all 4 lows filled with Mag stab II's , 2 Ogre II, 2 hammerhead II, and a warrior II for what EFT says is a hair over 25 mill not counting ammo cost.

Assuming all level 5 T1 the Vexor again 483 DPS with a clone of the above but all T1 Meta1 w/ antimatter EFT says it will cost a little over 7 mill not counting ammo.

Can anyone think of any other fits cap stable afk able that beat that for the isk invested?
Alara IonStorm
#2 - 2011-12-30 20:24:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Alara IonStorm
/Edit: Wait never mind that doesn't have the DPS your looking for.
Liam Mirren
#3 - 2011-12-30 20:48:20 UTC
If you want bang for your buck, get a neutron Brutix. Thing is that destroying a POCO takes quite a bit of effort so would you want to keep the cost down you probably don't want to factor in T2 or faction ammo. Apart from that you can't go "afk" if you need to reload once in a while.

Because of the above go with a pulse boat like an Omen, Harbinger or Geddon.

Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude.

Vespa EC-600
The Wakizashi
#4 - 2011-12-30 20:57:01 UTC
Good point reloading / ammo does pose a problem for AFK and for cost.
With the Omen I got

All T2 heavy pulse w/ conflag 4 Heatsink II's 3 hobgoblin II's and 2 mods for cap stable / fitting 601 DPS for 26.5 mill
All T1 meta1 copy of above 316 dps 7.5 million isk

and for kicks I fitted the Vexor with heavy pulses w/ multi and got 401 DPS 4 heatsinks and a cap recharger for stability beating the laser boat with the Vexors drone bonus. for ~7.5 mill according to EFT.
Goose99
#5 - 2011-12-30 21:03:40 UTC
Noob ships for free dpsBig smile
Liam Mirren
#6 - 2011-12-30 21:07:34 UTC
Realise that the difference in cost between cruisers and BC isn't that huge if you insure them, it looks worse on the KB than it really is. Other than that, because you do more dps you'll need less time to completion meaning less "exposure time" where someone could come along and kill you. Apart from that people might go "err, no thanks" when they see a Harb on scan as it's less of an easy snack compared to some of the cruisers.

Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude.

Vespa EC-600
The Wakizashi
#7 - 2011-12-30 21:23:19 UTC
I agree with the 'looking like a target of opportunity'

But for the insurance ... A Harbinger with insurance considerations comes out to 483 DPS for 18.5 Mill all T1 meta 1. 28 mill payout for 8.4 mill insurance.

The Vexor is 1 mill for 3.4 mill payout bringing the cost to ~5.5 mill for 401 DPS all T1 meta1 AFK with pulses.
Goose99
#8 - 2011-12-30 21:23:35 UTC
Liam Mirren wrote:
Realise that the difference in cost between cruisers and BC isn't that huge if you insure them, it looks worse on the KB than it really is. Other than that, because you do more dps you'll need less time to completion meaning less "exposure time" where someone could come along and kill you. Apart from that people might go "err, no thanks" when they see a Harb on scan as it's less of an easy snack compared to some of the cruisers.


Tier 2 bc dps isn't that high. Tier 3 bc cost more than tier 1 BS. A geddon with 5 heavy drones do 1300+ dps, is cheap, insurable, and don't need reloading.
Liam Mirren
#9 - 2011-12-30 21:30:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Liam Mirren
assuming T2 and all lvl 5 skills (I know, not realistic) a Harb will push out 674 dps with T1 ammo and sentries and 831 with conflag.



Goose99 wrote:
Liam Mirren wrote:
Realise that the difference in cost between cruisers and BC isn't that huge if you insure them, it looks worse on the KB than it really is. Other than that, because you do more dps you'll need less time to completion meaning less "exposure time" where someone could come along and kill you. Apart from that people might go "err, no thanks" when they see a Harb on scan as it's less of an easy snack compared to some of the cruisers.


Tier 2 bc dps isn't that high. Tier 3 bc cost more than tier 1 BS. A geddon with 5 heavy drones do 1300+ dps, is cheap, insurable, and don't need reloading.


Yup, full agreement there. But as the OP was talking about cruisers I didn't want to scare him too much with a BS :P

Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude.

Vespa EC-600
The Wakizashi
#10 - 2011-12-30 21:36:16 UTC
With insurance an all T1 meta 1 geddon is 746 dps for 35 mill resulting in ~47,000 isk per DPS.
T1 meta 1 Vexor with pulses and insurance comes in at 13,750 isk per dps

One can argue time is money but that is hard to quantify in this situation, I guess there are more variables than I thought there were when I first opened the thread. Pod costs, ammo cost, reloading, cost of time and insurance to name a few....
Liam Mirren
#11 - 2011-12-30 21:39:59 UTC
Vespa EC-600 wrote:
guess there are more variables than I thought there were when I first opened the thread. Pod costs, ammo cost, reloading, cost of time and insurance to name a few....


Indeed, and as everyone weighs the different factors differently there's no single definitive answer. At least you've gained more insight, knowledge is power :)

Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude.

Goose99
#12 - 2011-12-30 22:16:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Goose99
Vespa EC-600 wrote:
With insurance an all T1 meta 1 geddon is 746 dps for 35 mill resulting in ~47,000 isk per DPS.
T1 meta 1 Vexor with pulses and insurance comes in at 13,750 isk per dps

One can argue time is money but that is hard to quantify in this situation, I guess there are more variables than I thought there were when I first opened the thread. Pod costs, ammo cost, reloading, cost of time and insurance to name a few....


And there's the noob ship. It's free, 0 isk per DPS.Big smile

How many Rifters cost the same as one Vexor? How much is their total dps? The smaller you go, the less it cost per dps. Diminishing returns. The Vexor is at a point where you get the least amount of relative dps increase from greatest amount of relative isk increase, as percentage of smaller hulls.

Use a blaster Catalyst, 700 dps from a dessie. Or t2 fit geddon with heavy drones, 1300+ afk dps. Or more from a blaster Mega with 5 heavys. with the downside of reloading.

The 2 biggest jumps in dps as hull size increase occur at destroyer and tier 1 BS.
Berendas
Ascendant Operations
#13 - 2011-12-30 23:13:18 UTC
This thread is pretty interesting, wish I could contribute (at work Sad).
Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings
#14 - 2011-12-30 23:48:39 UTC
Stealth bombers.

With 2x damage mods, DPS rigs, t2 launchers and rage torps you have 691 DPS, at a similar cost to a t2-fitted cruiser. Being a frigate hull with a covops cloak and 50km range also means that losing your ship/pod is a very minimal risks.
Squatdog
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#15 - 2011-12-31 00:01:54 UTC
Gankfit Velator,:

MagStab II
-Empty-
Light Ion II
Light Ion II

Hobgoblin II x 2


162dps with Null, hell yeah.
1-Up Mushroom
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#16 - 2011-12-31 00:31:43 UTC
[Velator, New Setup 1]
[empty low slot]

[empty med slot]

Civilian Light Electron Blaster, Civilian Blaster Charge
Civilian Light Electron Blaster, Civilian Blaster Charge

9 DPS for 0 ISK, which means you'll get UNLIMITED DPS for every 1 ISK you spend
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Anya Ohaya
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#17 - 2011-12-31 04:05:35 UTC
Arbitrator with drones and pulse lasers can be completely AFK.
bartos100
Living Ghost
#18 - 2011-12-31 12:02:56 UTC
try a sentry domi with large lasers fitted :D

did that once when we where blowing up an interbus CO

i had close to 800 dps but my gunnery skills are far from perfect (t1 multi)

that means no reloading and non stop dps

not sure on the prise for it all tho i sjut grabd some stuff i had lyng around
Vespa EC-600
The Wakizashi
#19 - 2012-01-01 00:18:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Vespa EC-600
Noob ships are out the question, cant break the shield recharge on a POCO with a handful of noob ships.


/edit, EFT had prices way too high for the Destroyer (8 mil vs 1.3 mill)
Destroyer going with lasers all T1 meta 1 level 5 skills is 234 DPS for 1.3 Mill isk (did not calc with insurance)
for 5,555 isk per DPS Making it the leader.

Coercer T2 pulses w/ conflag is 10 mill isk for 460 DPS 21,800 isk per dps

Stealth bomber being a T2 ship I skipped the meta1 and I get with a purifier 734 DPS with rage torps 3 Ballistic control system II's and a calefaction and a loading accelerator for what EFT says is 36 mill ish. for 49,000 isk per DPS. not to mention reloading / ammo costs is going to be high.


As for the Domi a geddon out DPSes it for the T1 version and ogres do (on paper) 10 more DPS for the T1 than sentries.

T2 domi pulse w/ conflag ogre II's and stuff for fitting / capstable is 108 mill for 1125 dps 96,000 isk per dps
T1 domi pulse / multi ogre I's + fittings for cab stable 69 mill 685 dps 100,729 isk per dps... making it 'more expensive' than the T2
Above does not count for Insurance
Vespa EC-600
The Wakizashi
#20 - 2012-01-01 01:31:49 UTC
Running more numbers limiting it to 900k SP for free clones I could EFT / Evemon an Amarr char with 898,764 SP that does 159 DPS in a Coercer. All T1 Meta 1 the fittings is hard with 7 of the medium pulses and 1 gatling

Adding in some reasonably priced Meta 1+ items puts it at 211 dps but still cant fit all 8 medium pulses with cap stable.

So in total 900k sp clone limited ~1.4 mill per death not counting insurance ~750,000 with insurance for 211 DPS
3,555 isk per DPS no clone cost.


If I have time I will see what the cost per DPS will be including clone cost with the following

Max DPS per isk assuming death on stationary target (POCO)
Trying to keep it to Meta1 unless fitting requires otherwise.
lasers for total 'set it and forget it!'