Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I wasn't having a pop at you, chill out. I was laying down the point that the OP attitude of "don't hurt my bit of the game because it's PvP" is bullcrap.

James 315 came up with a good name for such people: "bot-aspirants". Someone who does a trivial, repeatable activity for several hours every day is both hurting the other players with his excess ISK and hurting himself with his lack of priorities. Both should be saved.

Well if you don't like these players doing what they enjoy I suggest the CODE path of removing their safety to do so, with anti-matter. This is a game and should not force players to carry out careers they do not wish to. If all they do is perform such 'bot-aspirant' tasks and generate ISK for themselves who cares? If they aren't using the ISK for anything else then it has no effect, if they use it to fund other activities such as PvP they provide targets. If they use the ISK for manufacturing/trade etc then they are providing a service.

The best solution for any bottable activity is to give an alternative where an active pilot will make more than an AFK one. So the comet mining idea for instance would reward an active pilot with more ISK generating products than an AFK miner would get (even with boosts).

This way the active pilots will provide content and gain better gameplay whilst the bots would simply take up the slack.

My point is that you don't change the game mechanisms to combat bots in ways that are detrimental to non-bots. Remember that those you consider to have no life and play EvE for a long time each day may well do so because it is their entertainment. It is their choice to do so and the game mechanics should not discriminate against them for such.

Dev effort would be better spent in determining potential bot activity and pointing GM's towards those characters with their location. They can then be interacted with in game to asses whether they are a bot or not. Botting is a bannable offense as far as I'm aware and an active player would happily respond to repeated attempts to hail them.

Irrespective of your OP I would prefer their to be more active versions of the less active style careers that would reward an active player more. An active player should always have the advantage in the game. For instance in missions where a player can AFK rat maybe improve the AI slightly so that if NPC's are being killed in droves before getting anywhere near the player ship they fly the other way until they can warp to 0 on the player instead. I'm sure there are a multitude of simple changes that could be made in many areas and I feel this would improve the game overall rather than limit some areas in an arbitrary manner.

I want to see the data that shows PLEX prices are related to alts, and not something else, like the sheer amount of DPS in high-sec.

This is PvP and CODE wins. The miners could fight back, if they were at the keyboard. They choose to leave their avatar floating in space without lead, because they get bored.

Maybe if their hours were limited, they would actually spend it playing.

Incursionists do make ISK, but they mostly make LP. They must convert LP to ISK by selling those items. So the total ISK-income from incursions depends on the prevalence of ISK in the game. Obviously, this in turn is dependent upon the availability of ISK via botting and bot-likle playing. In other words, incursions' impact on PLEX prices is dependent on ISK amount from other sources still.
The main point of this thread still is that bots can generate wealth by not playing, and that is easily counterable with diminishing returns on hour-long repetetive behaviour. It also is an automatic counter that needs no manual surveillance at all from the anti-botting crew from CCP. They can concentrate on the harder-to-spot cases.

Oh look, it's the "delayed response because everyone is ignoring my thread" bump. Again.

Quit feeding the troll for the love of all that is good and right.

Hqs pay out 31.5m isk per site. They pay out 7k lp, for which the going rate is about 1.1k per lp

This is simply not true at all.

A player who logs in and semi-AFK mines while watching a movie on Netflix/DVD, or is doing work is not hurting anyone let alone the Eve economy. In fact, the basic idea of an economy and trade is mutually beneficial transactions. This is a very elementary aspect of economics. The seller would rather have the money, most likely so he can go buy something he wants more than what he is selling, and buyer wants the item more than the money. This is true in real life, and it is true in this game. To suggest that somebody who is engaging in economic activity in Eve is hurting the game is errant nonsense.

Further, several types of game play have been designed, on purpose, to be repeatable and fairly trivial. So, why is anyone shocked, upset or butthurt that somebody is…repeating these aspects of the game? Since it was done this way on purpose by the developers nobody should be shocked or upset.

And mining does not create ISK. This is another place you fall flat on your face and demonstrate you just don’t understand even the most fundamental and basic aspects of the in game economy. Mining takes an unusable resource (asteroids) and turns them into something that can be used to make things in game. At no point in this process is ISK created. ISK is merely moved from one wallet to another, and in fact there is an ISK sink when the results of mining is sold on the market (the transaction tax).

Now, if your gripe is that some players have too much ISK in their wallets then that is an entirely different issue. Now you are talking about income/wealth inequality and you and James315 should not be so goddamned intellectually lazy (or maybe you are both just really stupid) and tell us why income/wealth inequality is bad in this game. I could see it if maybe you could use your in game wealth to buy influence with the Devs or something, but that is just a laughable concept.