EVE General Discussion

believe it or not, experienced players learn new stuff each day too in this game. For example recently I learned that some incursion NPC at a warpgate instalocked one of my cruisers, and their whole NPC fleet decimated me before I could even activate my hardeners....

Answer the question. You're sidestepping it. The retention rate does not answer the question.

Huh, not pulling the bitter vet card, but CCP has made the learning curve more into a gradual slope from the more harsh and I feel much more fun Universes a lot of us started with.

The main issue I have experienced, anecdotal of course, is the misconception of what the game is about combined with what they understand and are accustom to with other games.

"Duct tape does not fix stupid....but it does muffle the sound."

edit, redundant, I need to learn to look at timestamps before shitposting

Labeling something stagnation because it does not suit your model of reality does not make it so.

Also, you seem to have to resort to "Gaslighiting" because you have no real argument.

Ignore Divine Entervention, he's a troll with a superiority complex who likes to think he can play word games.

Too much bla and sidestepping the question. Instead you come up with irrelevant bullshit that has nothing to do with it.

Speak out the hard truth you don't dare to admit! What's wrong? Why write speeches for such a simple answer? Why run aroumd the point? Say it!

Wrong. The telegraph was developed between 1830 and 1840, 175-180 years ago. The telephone was patented in 1876, 139 years ago, radio was also developed prior to 1915 (100 years ago)

All enabled near instantaneous communications over vast distances.

Also wrong, 100 years ago the train was fairly commonplace, the first public railway opened in 1803, 212 years ago.

In short your post contains no kernel of truth at all.

The hallmark of a DE post!

But back on subject, it's not that the "lower the barriers" people are saying these thigns out of malice, they are simply misguided nto unlike some people in real life who think that if you just make things easier for people, people will blossom because they don't have those constraints anymore. It just doesn't work that way.

CCPs efforts to lower the barriers has sucked a good deal of actual fun and challenge out of the game. Knowing myself like I do, If I started playing EVE in 2015 (with all it's safeties and pop ups and "in client guiding" like how missions now walk you through themselves step by step and won't even let you undock unless you have the correct mission item) instead of 2007(rookie ship, 5000 isk, that's all you get, better hope you either have a friend or can make one to teach you the ropes), I wouldn't sub either, because I don't need hand holding, I need a challenge that has some depth and some teeth to it.

I wonder how many people came to EVE after hearing how harsh and full of freedom it was only to find the cuddly carebear crap and leave?

OP,

I agree with you in so much as game mechanics need to be made clearer. And while people will yell "it's called Google, *******" and yes you can find answers to most EVE related questions on Google, why should I have to go to Google to find the answer to basic questions? I didn't buy Google Online, I bought EVE Online. And again, while the answers can be found on Google, how is spending hours in the in game browser searching the web for information that may or may not be outdated fun exactly? If this were any other game, failing to teach basic game mechanics would be considered a flaw yet EVE somehow gets a pass.


However, I do agree that it should not be "dumbed" down. Part of the fun in EVE, for me and perhaps many other people are the "hey I didnt know you could do that" moments. It's like playing Adobe Creative Suite Online where half the fun is figuring out all that you can do.

Put more simply, the game is a sandbox where you are given tools and then it is up to you what to do with the tools. We can't tell you how to do everything with the tools because most of us don't know everything there is to do with those tools. Again though, I wish CCP would create a better tutorial on how to use those tools because the tutorial does a horrible job at that.

Using another analogy(I love analogies can you tell?), imagine someone dropped you off on a lonely desert road and told "go". You would probably ask "where" and they just shrug. Then you ask "how" again they just shrug at you. "Well is someone going to come by and show me where I can go and how to get there." Again, shrug. I dont know about yall but I would probably just sit down in the middle of the road and wait for someone to come by. Now imagine someone does come by and when you ask where to go and how to get there they respond "Google it" or slightly more helpful they provide a link to some website with information that may or may not be outdated.


That's pretty much a new players experience right now. And again, if you really think about it, in pretty much any other game if the game did not teach you how to play the game, that would be considered a justifiable negative of the game. Yet in EVE it somehow is supposed to get a pass in that regard.