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Requesting info about Entois and alliance notifications

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Oddsodz
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2015-07-07 16:00:17 UTC
So I just wish to know about what is the series of events when/if I go and activate my Entois on say a TCU in a system.

Does the TCU owning alliance get a mail/notification that I have started my Entois mod on their TCU? And if so is it only for the members in the same system or is it for all of their alliance members now matter where they are. Also will this notification/mail show up in any form for API 3th party tools?

Thanks for reading

Oddsodz
Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#2 - 2015-07-07 16:24:45 UTC
http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/summer-of-sov-transition-and-deployment/

Quote:
CREST and API data for third party applications

We know that many of you will be eager to make amazing third party applications and websites, either for public use or for your own Alliances. That’s why we are opening up the new Sovereignty system to Public CREST. Everyone will be able to access a public list of all active Sovereignty structures in the universe, all details about reinforcement timers and the scores of active capture events. They will also have access to capital systems and default vulnerability timers for every Alliance. Finally, the XML API will contain the notifications triggered whenever Sov structures are attacked.

All the details on these Public CREST exposures can be found in CCP Foxfour’s developer blog here.

CEO of Lanate Industries

Citizen of Solitude
Oddsodz
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2015-07-07 16:42:59 UTC
Yes, I did see that. Thanks for looking

But it does not give a good working scenario of what happens. What sort of time frames are involved.

What I am looking for is a TL:DR of what happens when I activate my Entois on a TCU (or iHubs and so on). Does the owning alliance get a mail and or a notification straight away or is it delayed. Is it only for players in the system that I am in or is it for all members now matter where they are?

What I am trying to work out is. If I go off in my LOLSeptor (yes I know that is not a real thing) to an empty system. And try out my Entois on a TCU of a 1 man alliance that is not logged in. Am I all of a sudden going to get 5000 nasty bad guys from another alliance coming at me because they have a instant API 3th party tool telling them that I have just started my Entois on their TCU?
CCP FoxFour
C C P
C C P Alliance
#4 - 2015-07-08 15:13:52 UTC
It will go something like this:

  • At the start of your second entosis cycle, the second cycle being the one that actually starts having an effect, a mail will be sent to the alliance alerting them that someone is entosising their ****.
  • If anyone from the alliance is online, they will know right then and there something is going on.
  • Most alliance probably get their mail and notifications on their phone. Assuming they don't have anyone online when you start they will get that notification anywhere from right away to an hour. Your mail and notifications are cached for 1 hour. If that 1 hour time ends just as your second cycle starts and their application checks they will know then. At the same time they might not get that notification for an hour. So it can be a bit of a hit or miss in that case.


None of the real time APIs we are releasing will tell people about things before they are reinforced. So it mainly comes down to people being online.

@CCP_FoxFour // Technical Designer // Team Tech Co

Third-party developer? Check out the official developers site for dev blogs, resources, and more.
Sentient Blade
Crisis Atmosphere
Coalition of the Unfortunate
#5 - 2015-07-08 15:49:54 UTC
CCP FoxFour wrote:
None of the real time APIs we are releasing will tell people about things before they are reinforced. So it mainly comes down to people being online.


Having to keep an eagle eye on the client itself is ... well, tedious. Even if you have guys online I think we can all agree that having the client open, doesn't necessarily mean paying attention to it (Can you imagine what the simultaneous user counts would drop to if it did?).

As the API guy I would encourage you to "push" for what should be the clear next step in API integration, and allow each alliance to define a private "Web Services" URL in their in-game settings that the CCP servers themselves actually ping with notifications about entosis and so forth, and then third party services will soon spring up to cover all of the required intricacies of who to notify and how.

Would not necessarily need to be done synchronously either, all the server code itself would have to do is write the notification to a table, and have a small app somewhere else on the cluster polling it every second and firing off HTTP post requests as fast as it can.
Aryth
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2015-07-08 16:31:07 UTC
CCP FoxFour wrote:
It will go something like this:

  • At the start of your second entosis cycle, the second cycle being the one that actually starts having an effect, a mail will be sent to the alliance alerting them that someone is entosising their ****.
  • If anyone from the alliance is online, they will know right then and there something is going on.
  • Most alliance probably get their mail and notifications on their phone. Assuming they don't have anyone online when you start they will get that notification anywhere from right away to an hour. Your mail and notifications are cached for 1 hour. If that 1 hour time ends just as your second cycle starts and their application checks they will know then. At the same time they might not get that notification for an hour. So it can be a bit of a hit or miss in that case.


None of the real time APIs we are releasing will tell people about things before they are reinforced. So it mainly comes down to people being online.


We are about as serious business as it comes and I have never seen us get a notification to a phone like this. That would be pretty funny though.

Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal.

Creator of Burn Jita

Vile Rat: You're the greatest sociopath that has ever played eve.
CCP FoxFour
C C P
C C P Alliance
#7 - 2015-07-08 17:30:10 UTC
Aryth wrote:
CCP FoxFour wrote:
It will go something like this:

  • At the start of your second entosis cycle, the second cycle being the one that actually starts having an effect, a mail will be sent to the alliance alerting them that someone is entosising their ****.
  • If anyone from the alliance is online, they will know right then and there something is going on.
  • Most alliance probably get their mail and notifications on their phone. Assuming they don't have anyone online when you start they will get that notification anywhere from right away to an hour. Your mail and notifications are cached for 1 hour. If that 1 hour time ends just as your second cycle starts and their application checks they will know then. At the same time they might not get that notification for an hour. So it can be a bit of a hit or miss in that case.


None of the real time APIs we are releasing will tell people about things before they are reinforced. So it mainly comes down to people being online.


We are about as serious business as it comes and I have never seen us get a notification to a phone like this. That would be pretty funny though.


EVEDroid should pull your notifications...

@CCP_FoxFour // Technical Designer // Team Tech Co

Third-party developer? Check out the official developers site for dev blogs, resources, and more.
Oddsodz
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2015-07-08 18:12:27 UTC
Ok thanks for that info. I just wanted to know what level of response I could expect should I try out in the game of sov.

As cool as all the 3th party tools are. I fear that having all this extra Intel makes for a barrier to entry and also means that buffer space will still be a thing.

Thanks for taking the time to respond

Oddsodz
Aryth
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2015-07-08 19:04:17 UTC
CCP FoxFour wrote:
Aryth wrote:
CCP FoxFour wrote:
It will go something like this:

  • At the start of your second entosis cycle, the second cycle being the one that actually starts having an effect, a mail will be sent to the alliance alerting them that someone is entosising their ****.
  • If anyone from the alliance is online, they will know right then and there something is going on.
  • Most alliance probably get their mail and notifications on their phone. Assuming they don't have anyone online when you start they will get that notification anywhere from right away to an hour. Your mail and notifications are cached for 1 hour. If that 1 hour time ends just as your second cycle starts and their application checks they will know then. At the same time they might not get that notification for an hour. So it can be a bit of a hit or miss in that case.


None of the real time APIs we are releasing will tell people about things before they are reinforced. So it mainly comes down to people being online.


We are about as serious business as it comes and I have never seen us get a notification to a phone like this. That would be pretty funny though.


EVEDroid should pull your notifications...


I more mean that is taking EVE as a 2nd job to another level. We would want to avoid making that leap. That is one of the issues with null right now as is.

Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal.

Creator of Burn Jita

Vile Rat: You're the greatest sociopath that has ever played eve.
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#10 - 2015-07-13 16:52:02 UTC
Aryth wrote:
CCP FoxFour wrote:
Aryth wrote:
CCP FoxFour wrote:
It will go something like this:

  • At the start of your second entosis cycle, the second cycle being the one that actually starts having an effect, a mail will be sent to the alliance alerting them that someone is entosising their ****.
  • If anyone from the alliance is online, they will know right then and there something is going on.
  • Most alliance probably get their mail and notifications on their phone. Assuming they don't have anyone online when you start they will get that notification anywhere from right away to an hour. Your mail and notifications are cached for 1 hour. If that 1 hour time ends just as your second cycle starts and their application checks they will know then. At the same time they might not get that notification for an hour. So it can be a bit of a hit or miss in that case.


None of the real time APIs we are releasing will tell people about things before they are reinforced. So it mainly comes down to people being online.


We are about as serious business as it comes and I have never seen us get a notification to a phone like this. That would be pretty funny though.


EVEDroid should pull your notifications...


I more mean that is taking EVE as a 2nd job to another level. We would want to avoid making that leap. That is one of the issues with null right now as is.



You guys just don't have the right level of emotional commitment. You need to google 'eve online armor hacs'. Use this as your guide to appropriate levels of emotional engagement. You have to play to win if you want to win what you are playing.
Ecks Ghe
Cerulean Privateers
#11 - 2015-07-14 03:50:25 UTC
Somehow somebody reinforcing your stuff with an Entosis link requires a quicker reaction than somebody reinforcing your stuff with pure DPS? You're going to wait for the reinforcement timer either way aren't you?

Verdict: Red Herring.
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2015-07-15 09:49:27 UTC
Aryth wrote:
CCP FoxFour wrote:
Aryth wrote:
CCP FoxFour wrote:
It will go something like this:

  • At the start of your second entosis cycle, the second cycle being the one that actually starts having an effect, a mail will be sent to the alliance alerting them that someone is entosising their ****.
  • If anyone from the alliance is online, they will know right then and there something is going on.
  • Most alliance probably get their mail and notifications on their phone. Assuming they don't have anyone online when you start they will get that notification anywhere from right away to an hour. Your mail and notifications are cached for 1 hour. If that 1 hour time ends just as your second cycle starts and their application checks they will know then. At the same time they might not get that notification for an hour. So it can be a bit of a hit or miss in that case.


None of the real time APIs we are releasing will tell people about things before they are reinforced. So it mainly comes down to people being online.


We are about as serious business as it comes and I have never seen us get a notification to a phone like this. That would be pretty funny though.


EVEDroid should pull your notifications...


I more mean that is taking EVE as a 2nd job to another level. We would want to avoid making that leap. That is one of the issues with null right now as is.



EVe on its glorious days required that level of attention. Peopel jsut got too much entitled on recent years. Ye syou need to play and be online on what you define as your prime time if you want to keep that space.

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"