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Gallente tactical destroyer - Forced to use MWD setups not fun.

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Nidal Fervor
Doomheim
#1 - 2015-07-07 14:29:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Nidal Fervor
If I want to use the Hecate, I am forced to use MWD or else I won't be taking advantage of the propulsion mode? MWD speed and cap usage only effects MWD's, not afterburners.

But you at least get 66% inertia boost from propulsion mode still, you might say? If you look at the inertia of the Hecate you will see that it is twice as high as Svipul and more than twice as high as Confessor; this makes the bonus worthless in comparison.

I realise that the purely MWD bonus is probably there to stop people using 10mn afterburner set ups but what about those of us who want to use 1mn afterburners or gisti 1mn afterburners? There's no simply no option for it, because propulsion mode is next to worthless to use with afterburners in a Hecate; you're better to forgo gallente and use a better designed tactical destroyer which doesn't reward only MWD usage.

For that reason if I want to play with 1mn afterburners I am forced to use an entirely different ship that can take advantage of the bonus, the svipul for instance. Which means I don't get to play my favorite race's tactical destroyer, all because of badly designed bonuses, which are only designed that way to prevent oversized afterburner play, while also ruining normal sized 1mn afterburner play at the same time.

I realise it's probably too late to change this now, but couldn't you have found a better way to do propulsion mode for the Hecate so at least 1mn afterburners are viable and not just MWD's for the sake of penalising the oversized afterburner style.
Angelica Dreamstar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2015-07-07 14:33:35 UTC
Yeah they should have made it so specifically you are happy. **** the rest! **** balance! **** caring about anything but my own wants!

bingo, his pig not being a goat doesn't make the pig wrong, just him an idiot for shouting at his pig "WHY ARENT YOU A GOAT!" (Source)

-- Ralph King-Griffin, about deranged people playing EVE ONLINE

Nidal Fervor
Doomheim
#3 - 2015-07-07 14:36:04 UTC
Angelica Dreamstar wrote:
Yeah they should have made it so specifically you are happy. **** the rest! **** balance! **** caring about anything but my own wants!


That's the point, there isn't balance. Hecate is only given the option of MWD, or a gimped afterburner. The bonus should also apply to 1mn afterburners.
Angelica Dreamstar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2015-07-07 14:37:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Angelica Dreamstar
Nidal Fervor wrote:
Angelica Dreamstar wrote:
Yeah they should have made it so specifically you are happy. **** the rest! **** balance! **** caring about anything but my own wants!


That's the point, there isn't balance. Hecate is only given the option of MWD, or a gimped afterburner. The bonus should also apply to 1mn afterburners.

Why?


Sorry, I know you gave reasons but they all were just you yelling I WANT IT TO FIT MY WANTS!

So... why?

bingo, his pig not being a goat doesn't make the pig wrong, just him an idiot for shouting at his pig "WHY ARENT YOU A GOAT!" (Source)

-- Ralph King-Griffin, about deranged people playing EVE ONLINE

Ivant Sumboodi
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#5 - 2015-07-07 14:39:11 UTC
He doesn't want the bloom I'm guessing.
Jack Hayson
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2015-07-07 14:39:36 UTC
Even worse... you are forced to use hybrids on it or you won't be taking advantage of the damage bonus! Shocked
So if you want to use e.g. lasers you need to use a totally different ship. That's totally unfair and badly designed because I want to use lasers!!11
Hengle Teron
Red Sky Morning
The Amarr Militia.
#7 - 2015-07-07 14:41:03 UTC
How about, even after the fact hybrid weapons pack a stronger punch than projectiles, Hecate is still given the dps of 10 turrets, while Svipul gets only a dps of 9.
Nidal Fervor
Doomheim
#8 - 2015-07-07 14:43:20 UTC
Angelica Dreamstar wrote:
Nidal Fervor wrote:
Angelica Dreamstar wrote:
Yeah they should have made it so specifically you are happy. **** the rest! **** balance! **** caring about anything but my own wants!


That's the point, there isn't balance. Hecate is only given the option of MWD, or a gimped afterburner. The bonus should also apply to 1mn afterburners.

Why?


Because it's stupid to force people to use MWD or not get any bonus.

The Svipul, Jackdaw and Confessor all get bonuses that allow them to make full use or close to full use out of the bonus for MWD or afterburner with their propulsion modes. How is it balanced that with one of them you don't get to choose which propulsion module to use? It's a blind oversight and I don't understand how it made it through.
Yarda Black
The Black Redemption
#9 - 2015-07-07 14:44:57 UTC
You can turn this around and ask yourself why not every "Minmatar" pilot or one of the other factions isnt here complaining about "their" tactical destroyer not having a MWD bonus.

Although I see your point (but don't agree with it because AB's are a very different animal in my book), I'd rather see alot more difference between between all the factions. Its all starting to feel a bit bland. Why train Gallente if Caldari has the same options in ships and you already have those skills trained?

But thats a slightly different discussion...
Nidal Fervor
Doomheim
#10 - 2015-07-07 14:45:13 UTC
Jack Hayson wrote:
Even worse... you are forced to use hybrids on it or you won't be taking advantage of the damage bonus! Shocked
So if you want to use e.g. lasers you need to use a totally different ship. That's totally unfair and badly designed because I want to use lasers!!11


Awesome joke, really smart; you're clearly well educated.

Sarcasm aside, that's how it is with all tactical destroyers, there's no imbalance.

Nidal Fervor
Doomheim
#11 - 2015-07-07 14:47:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Nidal Fervor
Yarda Black wrote:
You can turn this around and ask yourself why not every "Minmatar" pilot or one of the other factions isnt here complaining about "their" tactical destroyer not having a MWD bonus.

Although I see your point (but don't agree with it because AB's are a very different animal in my book), I'd rather see alot more difference between between all the factions. Its all starting to feel a bit bland. Why train Gallente if Caldari has the same options in ships and you already have those skills trained?

But thats a slightly different discussion...


Firstly, the minmatar vessel does have a MWD bonus, to its defense mode. Secondly, it effectively also has an MWD bonus to its propulsion mode because it gets a 66% velocity and 33% inertia bonus; the velocity bonus is applicable if you fit MWD or afterburner. If you still don't understand, the other vessels don't need a MWD bonus because they get a direct speed bonus, which is the same, only it works with any propulsion module. This is what the hecate should have had, or a direct 1mn afterburner/1mn mwd bonus, if they really want to stop oversized afterburners on it.
Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#12 - 2015-07-07 14:47:20 UTC
Nidal Fervor wrote:
Angelica Dreamstar wrote:
Nidal Fervor wrote:
Angelica Dreamstar wrote:
Yeah they should have made it so specifically you are happy. **** the rest! **** balance! **** caring about anything but my own wants!


That's the point, there isn't balance. Hecate is only given the option of MWD, or a gimped afterburner. The bonus should also apply to 1mn afterburners.

Why?


Because it's stupid to force people to use MWD or not get any bonus.

The Svipul, Jackdaw and Confessor all get bonuses that allow them to make full use or close to full use out of the bonus for MWD or afterburner with their propulsion modes. How is it balanced that with one of them you don't get to choose which propulsion module to use? It's a blind oversight and I don't understand how it made it through.


"Hecate should also be given bonuses to projectiles and missiles, the other have it so why not the Gallente one, this is just stupid".
Angelica Dreamstar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2015-07-07 14:48:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Angelica Dreamstar
Nidal Fervor wrote:
Angelica Dreamstar wrote:
Nidal Fervor wrote:
Angelica Dreamstar wrote:
Yeah they should have made it so specifically you are happy. **** the rest! **** balance! **** caring about anything but my own wants!


That's the point, there isn't balance. Hecate is only given the option of MWD, or a gimped afterburner. The bonus should also apply to 1mn afterburners.

Why?


Because it's stupid to force people to use MWD or not get any bonus.

The Svipul, Jackdaw and Confessor all get bonuses that allow them to make full use or close to full use out of the bonus for MWD or afterburner with their propulsion modes. How is it balanced that with one of them you don't get to choose which propulsion module to use? It's a blind oversight and I don't understand how it made it through.
i hate my phone...

The reasons why you don't like this change are, like you already told, are: You don't like it how it is, because you can't do what you want.

bingo, his pig not being a goat doesn't make the pig wrong, just him an idiot for shouting at his pig "WHY ARENT YOU A GOAT!" (Source)

-- Ralph King-Griffin, about deranged people playing EVE ONLINE

Arla Sarain
#14 - 2015-07-07 14:50:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Arla Sarain
All the AFs are forced into MWDs as well?

And the Claw? I mean AB fits for all of these do exist and are very potent. Hecate is capable of dual prop, no?

Gimped or not gimped, the option is there. Infact it's a far more practical option, than say the double damage bonus to rockets on a goddamn Buzzard, or an optimal bonus to projectiles on a Cheetah that has 15MW base PG.

I fly my Cheetahs with artillery. Cos.
Hengle Teron
Red Sky Morning
The Amarr Militia.
#15 - 2015-07-07 14:51:14 UTC
And how is it fair than Svipul doesn't get hull resist bonuses ? I want mine hull tanked, dammit.
Nidal Fervor
Doomheim
#16 - 2015-07-07 14:52:36 UTC
Hengle Teron wrote:
And how is it fair than Svipul doesn't get hull resist bonuses ? I want mine hull tanked, dammit.


Svipul gets armor and shield resists instead, a balanced trade off.
Yarda Black
The Black Redemption
#17 - 2015-07-07 14:56:21 UTC
Nidal Fervor wrote:
Firstly, the minmatar vessel does have a MWD bonus, to its defense mode.


WTF. I'm supposed to know that.

So much for my reputation as an elitist [bad word] ....
Hengle Teron
Red Sky Morning
The Amarr Militia.
#18 - 2015-07-07 14:56:28 UTC
Nidal Fervor wrote:
Hengle Teron wrote:
And how is it fair than Svipul doesn't get hull resist bonuses ? I want mine hull tanked, dammit.


Svipul gets armor and shield resists instead, a balanced trade off.

No, it's not balanced, I want my Sviplul hull tanked, and I can't, cause it gets no bonus!
Nidal Fervor
Doomheim
#19 - 2015-07-07 14:57:11 UTC
Hengle Teron wrote:
Nidal Fervor wrote:
Hengle Teron wrote:
And how is it fair than Svipul doesn't get hull resist bonuses ? I want mine hull tanked, dammit.


Svipul gets armor and shield resists instead, a balanced trade off.

No, it's not balanced, I want my Sviplul hull tanked, and I can't, cause it gets no bonus!


Good for you little man. Now run along, I think your mother is calling you.
Miomeifeng Alduin
Lithonauts Inc.
#20 - 2015-07-07 14:57:16 UTC
Nidal Fervor wrote:
If I want to use the Hecate, I am forced to use MWD or else I won't be taking advantage of the propulsion mode? MWD speed and cap usage only effects MWD's, not afterburners.

But you at least get 66% inertia boost from propulsion mode still, you might say? If you look at the inertia of the Hecate you will see that it is twice as high as Svipul and more than twice as high as Confessor; this makes the bonus worthless in comparison.

I realise that the purely MWD bonus is probably there to stop people using 10mn afterburner set ups but what about those of us who want to use 1mn afterburners or gisti 1mn afterburners? There's no simply no option for it, because propulsion mode is next to worthless to use with afterburners in a Hecate; you're better to forgo gallente and use a better designed tactical destroyer which doesn't reward only MWD usage.

For that reason if I want to play with 1mn afterburners I am forced to use an entirely different ship that can take advantage of the bonus, the svipul for instance. Which means I don't get to play my favorite race's tactical destroyer, all because of badly designed bonuses, which are only designed that way to prevent oversized afterburner play, while also ruining normal sized 1mn afterburner play at the same time.

I realise it's probably too late to change this now, but couldn't you have found a better way to do propulsion mode for the Hecate so at least 1mn afterburners are viable and not just MWD's for the sake of penalising the oversized afterburner style.


So, if i want to use a Loki, i have to use projectile weapons? the bonusses should also be for hybrids and lazors!!! it's not fun that i have to use projectiles but can't choose lasers!

Different ships, different bonusses. Use them as intended or dont whine about them ;)
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