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Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
#21 - 2015-07-06 22:27:38 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Bronson Hughes wrote:
I'll let you go with that and retract my previous, but I'd like to point out that the EvE Uni wiki, while seemingly useful, often leads to spectacular fails. I would highly suggest finding a better source for information.


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I must point out that he linked to the official wiki, not the Eve Uni one P
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The former is so bad that CCP often use the latter Shocked

The fail is strong with this one.

Oh wait....

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Renegade Heart
Doomheim
#22 - 2015-07-06 22:34:51 UTC
Bullet Anarchy wrote:
Renegade Heart wrote:


If they were outlaws you would not be losing sec status for initiating combat with them. SInce the people you are shooting are above -5 like yourself, you will lose sec status for shooting them first, unless they are suspect or something.


True, they are wanabe pirates but they have no business in FW plexes.


So you take the law into your own hands? Without investigation? Perhaps they do have a valid reason to be there. Without asking first you cannot tell. By shooting them, and losing sec status, it seems that the facpo do not agree with your law enforcement methods!
Bullet Anarchy
Venom and Bullet Corporation
#23 - 2015-07-06 22:39:41 UTC
Renegade Heart wrote:


So you take the law into your own hands? Without investigation? Perhaps they do have a valid reason to be there. Without asking first you cannot tell. By shooting them, and losing sec status, it seems that the facpo do not agree with your law enforcement methods!



I'll sit in a FW plex for 20mins without shooting anyone if you will, you first.

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Noragen Neirfallas
Emotional Net Loss
#24 - 2015-07-07 00:57:16 UTC
Bullet Anarchy wrote:
Renegade Heart wrote:


So you take the law into your own hands? Without investigation? Perhaps they do have a valid reason to be there. Without asking first you cannot tell. By shooting them, and losing sec status, it seems that the facpo do not agree with your law enforcement methods!



I'll sit in a FW plex for 20mins without shooting anyone if you will, you first.

This attitude is what keeps your sec status so high. oh wait...

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Noragen Neirfallas
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#25 - 2015-07-07 00:58:27 UTC
Consider another wiki page slightly edited too to reflect the real name of the plexs

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Bullet Anarchy
Venom and Bullet Corporation
#26 - 2015-07-07 03:25:11 UTC
Noragen Neirfallas wrote:
Bullet Anarchy wrote:
Renegade Heart wrote:


So you take the law into your own hands? Without investigation? Perhaps they do have a valid reason to be there. Without asking first you cannot tell. By shooting them, and losing sec status, it seems that the facpo do not agree with your law enforcement methods!



I'll sit in a FW plex for 20mins without shooting anyone if you will, you first.

This attitude is what keeps your sec status so high. oh wait...



You ever been in a FW complex ?

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Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#27 - 2015-07-07 03:31:06 UTC
Is it like being in a mission runner's privately instanced dungeon?
I've been told I have no business being there either.
Then I take bunch of 'their' things and go wibbling off into the black.
Either that or they shoot me.

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Bullet Anarchy
Venom and Bullet Corporation
#28 - 2015-07-07 03:59:21 UTC
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
Is it like being in a mission runner's privately instanced dungeon?
I've been told I have no business being there either.
Then I take bunch of 'their' things and go wibbling off into the black.
Either that or they shoot me.


No they spawn on a timer, there are always at least 4 which are on a respawn cycle of 30 minutes.
The mission sites are different, named things similar to High sec missions but they do appear on overview when they are opened.
FW Complexes/Dungeons have a single NPC which by being alive prevents the enemy from capturing the site.
Mission sites have numerous NPC much like high sec missions.
FW Complexes Appear on overview when they are opened but they are an anomaly so as soon as they spawn they are accessible from probe scanner.
Your business is piracy if you are a neutral entering a FW complex for the purpose of killing the players inside and looting them.
FW Militia do not enter a Complex for that purpose. It is necessary to remove enemy ships from a complex to prevent them from capturing it. If you enter a plex looking for enemy and there are a bunch of pirates in there you can bet 99.9% that they are going to attack if they don't run for it.

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Noragen Neirfallas
Emotional Net Loss
#29 - 2015-07-07 04:01:37 UTC
Bullet Anarchy wrote:
Noragen Neirfallas wrote:
Bullet Anarchy wrote:
Renegade Heart wrote:


So you take the law into your own hands? Without investigation? Perhaps they do have a valid reason to be there. Without asking first you cannot tell. By shooting them, and losing sec status, it seems that the facpo do not agree with your law enforcement methods!



I'll sit in a FW plex for 20mins without shooting anyone if you will, you first.

This attitude is what keeps your sec status so high. oh wait...



You ever been in a FW complex ?

Indeed I have. But I don't cry about low sec status when I shoot the bears inside of them (mostly stabbed frigates). I instead utilize the power of my brain to decide when to grind some sec status or pay for tags. If I'm at war with some militia groups so I don't even need to go global to kill them (and that is the only logical reason for me to be there in the first place).

All that aside I was poking fun at your comment about not engaging non flashies and your whining about your low sec status in the same thread

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Bullet Anarchy
Venom and Bullet Corporation
#30 - 2015-07-07 04:30:30 UTC
Noragen Neirfallas wrote:


All that aside I was poking fun at your comment about not engaging non flashies and your whining about your low sec status in the same thread


Well I'm not suggesting that you should be able to engage non flashys on a gate or a station or a moon or a Jove Observatory or even a mission site.
There is no legal activity on offer for neutrals inside FW plexes.

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Noragen Neirfallas
Emotional Net Loss
#31 - 2015-07-07 05:03:56 UTC
Bullet Anarchy wrote:
Noragen Neirfallas wrote:


All that aside I was poking fun at your comment about not engaging non flashies and your whining about your low sec status in the same thread


Well I'm not suggesting that you should be able to engage non flashys on a gate or a station or a moon or a Jove Observatory or even a mission site.
There is no legal activity on offer for neutrals inside FW plexes.

Baiting pirates?

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Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#32 - 2015-07-07 06:30:08 UTC
I'm trying to find some kind of sympathy here in myself.
I'm also kind of failing... as whenever I pew in low sec I get hit with sec status hits even though when I pew in high sec I don't. Seems a bit unfair to the 'pirates' that the militia don't seem to suffer the same penalties normally as they do.
Is this a privilege issue?

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Marlin Spikes
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2015-07-07 09:49:13 UTC
Bronson Hughes wrote:
Bullet Anarchy wrote:
...the more time I spend in factional warfare dungeons....

If you're spending time in dungeons in EvE, you deserve everything the FacPo throws at you.


The term "Dungeon" doesn't even belong in Eve. Makes me feel like crying in the shower just knowing that "Dungeons" exists in a space game.

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University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2015-07-07 10:19:47 UTC
Marlin Spikes wrote:
Bronson Hughes wrote:
Bullet Anarchy wrote:
...the more time I spend in factional warfare dungeons....

If you're spending time in dungeons in EvE, you deserve everything the FacPo throws at you.


The term "Dungeon" doesn't even belong in Eve. Makes me feel like crying in the shower just knowing that "Dungeons" exists in a space game.

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#35 - 2015-07-07 10:26:51 UTC
Bullet Anarchy wrote:
Arrghhh just got my first fac police encounter , went into a 1.0 system and my sec status has reached -2.5

I'm wondering if the response is quicker / more powerful depending on the sec level of the system ?


just run like fck in a ceptor and call marmite little b!tches on you're way out

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Bullet Anarchy
Venom and Bullet Corporation
#36 - 2015-07-07 10:37:03 UTC
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
I'm trying to find some kind of sympathy here in myself.
I'm also kind of failing... as whenever I pew in low sec I get hit with sec status hits even though when I pew in high sec I don't. Seems a bit unfair to the 'pirates' that the militia don't seem to suffer the same penalties normally as they do.
Is this a privilege issue?



They do suffer the same penalties

Militia that do a lot of random fighting tend to have lower sec status than those who stick to the objective but there is no legit area where you don't get covered in pirate dung even if you are not interested in fighting every random ship that comes into system for no reason other than to stop them from killing you.

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Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#37 - 2015-07-07 10:49:14 UTC
My mistake. I didn't know that the militias actually lost sec status when they engage each other.
Just have heard similar complaints many times in the past and I never really understood why, as I had assumed that PVP was an integral thing with it. It always struck me as odd that it bothered pvp pilots that people were willing to offer them free pvp.

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Venom Anarchy
Venom and Bullet Corporation
#38 - 2015-07-07 10:58:23 UTC

Marlin Spikes wrote:


The term "Dungeon" doesn't even belong in Eve. Makes me feel like crying in the shower just knowing that "Dungeons" exists in a space game.



The term dungeon is ok it is only association with another type of gaming that is offputting, you can get over it a bit like the way you get over the fact that the term stargate is used for things outside of Eve.

BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:

Where else do the amarr keep their slaves?


Yep they are there, though I reffer to them as farming Alts , you can identify them because they have an employment history in two opposing militias.

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La Rapida
#39 - 2015-07-07 11:27:04 UTC
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
My mistake. I didn't know that the militias actually lost sec status when they engage each other.



They don't. In FW you are free to attack or being attacked by the opposite side in any area (HS, low) of EVE without lose sec status.
I think that the OP is referring on his behaviour to attack any ship that enter in plexes.

@OP: pirates are there for PVP, you are there for PVP. So where is the problem?
Being in militia doesn't mean that you cannot be attacked by others players outside of FW.
And if you attack them for first, you will lose sec status. Of course.
Bullet Anarchy
Venom and Bullet Corporation
#40 - 2015-07-07 11:31:36 UTC
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
My mistake. I didn't know that the militias actually lost sec status when they engage each other.
Just have heard similar complaints many times in the past and I never really understood why, as I had assumed that PVP was an integral thing with it. It always struck me as odd that it bothered pvp pilots that people were willing to offer them free pvp.


They are in a permanent wardeck with the opposing militias. Other than that they get no privilleges.

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