EVE General Discussion

Heh, Killboards only show what's posted to them. Not to mention there's a lot more to this game than just your version of PvP - ganking defenseless Industrial ships in high security.

As for meeting you in-game, I doubt that ever happened and FYI - when I yellowbox a ship, I don't warp away.

I do recall targeting a CODE ship once that was trying to extort ISK from a Mining ship in Frarn system. The CODE ship asked why I had locked them to which my reply was I intended to open fire on them if they attempted a gank. After a while the CODE ship warped out when quite a few players in system started telling CODE to come over and check them out in various Asteroid belts.

Anyway, stop posting lies about me here in these forums. The next one from you will be answered with the report flag.



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I was referring to John E. Normus, whose EVE career according to zkill commenced in 2013 with a CONCORDOKKEN in Kamio.

People would gank and one shot Tengus solo on the undock in 2010 8n Apocalypses with artillery and platinum insurance. Industrials too. Happend often. Not so much tears and honestly not as common as today.


TAKE A GUESS WHY?

Wrong!

Back in 2010 you could canflip. Remember My Loot You Tears and T.E.A.R.S.?
Remember being able to only war dec 3 corps but hey it was cheap as hell and they couldnt quit for a day and if they did, corp recycling was banned and to be honest, way way way mpre small indy corps fought back in the day.
Now its just like lol wardec, a. Errybody drop to npc or just go join our warevasion corp or brb while i fold corp.

Back in 2010 you could FIND PVP IN HISEC MANY DIFFEFERENT WAYS.
Now only way is to be giant merc alliance and wardec everyone or suicide gank.

They bears cried and cried for 5 years and got most of pvp removed/total hindered in hisec. All that is left is suicide ganking/hense why errybody says screw it, ima gank all day erryday.

Bring back wars that actually happened, bring back canflipping, stop war evasion and see how many gankers stop ganking. I bet a ton.


Pvp wont ever stop in hisec, its just been handcuffed so hard over 5 years suicide ganking is the only choice if you wana pvp in hisec basically.


FACTS

https://zkillboard.com/search/Ashley+eoner/

Your words are as worthless and blank as your killboard. Shut up and let the big boy vets talk.


Also can flipping was nerfed and killed. What exists today is not the same as the My Loot Your Tears stuff. Go google it. And you bears cried someone stole your Damsel over and over and even though you had your entire corp that could agress the flipper you cried till CCP HELD YOUR HAND AND INVENTED SUSPECT FLAG SO ALL OF EVE COULD ATTACK THE DAMSEL THEIF. ALL 20K LOGGED in.

Also that was my point that people ganked back in the day in solo battleships yet not so many people cried all day and it WAS NOT THAT PREVAILNT. IT WASNT LIKE NONSTOP GANKS EVERYWHERE EVERY DAY.

Cuz the gankers now were able to get their hisec pvp junkie fix OTHER WAYS BACK IN 2010. Now its suicide or join big merc corp and dec 100 corps and pay 5bill isk a week and maybe 20 of them wont recycle-evade-exploit.


Ganks werent that active back then, yeah a sinlge thrasher could like 2 shot a hulk and happened often but not like today.

You idiots cried and cried for 5 years and TOOK AWAY ALL THE HISEC PVP SAND. So now you just get ganked all day erryday.




You should have been more careful with what you wished for when you cried to take content away from hisec pvpers

Yes I misspelled solitary so I corrected it.

Killboards are meaningless to me. I don't need them to make myself feel better about myself. I definitely don't need them to tell others where I tend to hang or use.


The ONLY place can flipping was killed is in the rookie systems. You're not doing your side any favor by complaining that you can't can flip a newbie that has been playing the game for all of 10 minutes. Otherwise your statement is meaningless as you can still can flip the cans/wrecks of any number of people.

The suspect flag allows for more pvp and you should be celebrating it. The mere fact that you consider it a bad thing shows clearly what you're trying to define as pvp.

People have been crying about gankers/griefers on the forums since the first day of the forums. None of this is new. The fact that you think it's a recent phenomen clearly shows you haven't been playing eve long.

You have all the options for pvp today as you did in 2010 AND MORE. There's far more ways to get pvp today than 5 years ago.

CCP's records disagree with you on the activity of gankers. The camping of certain trade choke points has been the only real difference.

You have no idea what you're talking about and that extends into your nonsensical rant about me and other "idiots" crying for 5 years.

They also show it when the other side posts it, so your empty killboard reflects your activity pretty good I would say.


That was my scout and this suicide ganker here did not exist back then. Yes there was a fail rebel fleet and no you warped away after you had shed all your tears and could not do a thing about me with your empty threats.

Stop marking the hero here, you are just a fail wanna-be rebel who hides in an NPC corp because he is afraid of actually playing the game. You just cry on the forums with no clue about how the game works.


I am not surprised that crying to CCP or ISD is your way of trying to win an argument.

The big nerf to can flipping was the suspect flagging. Meaning that when the miner/missioner 's can was flipped, ANOTHER PVPer was free to aggress.
Before that, the only person free to agress was the miner/missioner who:
- was not fit for PVP through fitting of their ship and highly likely, lack of experience.
- was not a combatant in the PVP envelope.
- was not entirely skilled in PVP fu meaning that the guy in the Kestrel who gets shot at has a GTFO fit and will be back in seconds with a faction cruiser.

Suspect flagging enabled other real PVPers to be the ones to "white knight" (as much as I hate that term I have nothing else to call it) it, adding an element of non-helplessness to the equation. It was all about ganking and greifing all along, and the advent of suspect flagging proved that.

But even now there is "suspect baiting". But any skilled player can see through that ruse - or throw cheapies at the ruse and irritate those who do it.

There is a way for the players themselves to nerf highsec ganking. CCP need not do anything. And it can be done in fun and exciting ways, ways that nobody has considered before. The red herrings have gone on too long and put many minds in boxes thinking it has to be done in certain ways, ways determined by the "enemy" who appear to have significant manipulation skills and simply like to practice them in MMOs as a dry run for whatever extent they practice it in RL. CCP is a game company trying to run a game and nothing more. The real crying is the red herring and straw man.

Stay tuned.

Okay now that Ive caught up to the thread again.

A lot of the issues also come from the fact that as the years progress people do learn, albeit some slower than others, or they leave the game due to issues. I personally have known so many who have left this game over the years for various reasons. In fact I know of ONE player thats played since the 2003 days when I first started that is left in game. Then of a group I have been friends with for the past 5-8 years again very few remain. The reasons they have left have been for a lot of reasons some have been the ganking and others for other things CCP is doing or hasnt done.

So yeah back in the day ganking wasnt as prevalent simply because fewer people did it and those that did, such as M0o, were even chastised and punished by CCP because of how effective and broken they were starting to make Eve. And as time increased so did peoples in game income and once plex started to come around the ideas of free alts soon made it an arms race of alts. After years we have people with a lot of accounts and can throw isk at such activities.

The people that didnt gank or didnt know the game mechanics back then learned over the years and broadened their Eve activities over time to try different things, in fact you had to after a while or get bored and stagnant after you max leveled your characters for ANY particular profession.

Then youd add the Hulkageddon festivities where people began to learn the ganking mechanics and it became popular due to its time in the spotlight. This created a firestorm in game as more and more people learned how to do something and it was "new" at first it was more like a fad but now its become a huge part of Eve.

As null and low stagnated and became to be the same old same old routines without much CCP influence more and more people have turned to different activities to get off their PvP rocks. CCP did their best trying to revamp low and adding new content and now, finally, to redo null and sov content.

But those that didnt leave when they get ganked, learned.

So those who are left can do one of two things, jump on the bandwagon as momentum grows. Or see it for what it is a detriment to the game. Not because it in itself is bad, but because its too much for the health of the system its in. If we had millions of subs and more and more people joining sure, go nuts, educate the newbs on how Eve is. But as it stands its lopsided atm and getting worse not better.


You see I got ganked once many years ago. Well I got ganked long before that but this was the catalyst for me. In Niarja a popular chokepoint we all know and love. It was only like 300+mil, though at the time it was worth a bit more, but in that moment I made a decision. Either I could leave the game and get pissed off, or I could learn. And for me if this guy can gank me and get away with it I could also do that to others. I learned. And became a ganker myself. I talked to and have known most of the gankers that have come and gone that imo have been the good ones, even some I dont consider good but are popular.

Ive done low sec living and the FW lifestyle when it came out. I found that eventually it was a factor of jumping X systems and spending Y time in game to get Z kills. Some days were up or down but on the whole it literally became a function of time in the seat rather than skills or anything.

Ive done the same in null. Sit around and do a few things for isk and wait for pings and fleets, or go roaming. But again you hit X fleets or spend Y time and you get Z kills. Sure some alliances and corps are better than others but it was reduced to a function again.

This isnt something I fault CCP for, Id LOVE to just cuz, but I cannot. This is the very nature of life itself. You do something enough and the buzz and adrenaline wears off and it becomes a function, a simple mathematical equation if you will, the PvPers min/max. In the end people get bored and you must either try something new, go somewhere new or stop playing all together.

Apparently the new "fun" of the last few years is ganking. Brought on by the firestorm of Hulkageddon, huge disposable incomes, cheap gank ships and even the dogma and charisma of a James315.

For me ganking started 5 years ago on a personal level. And Ive watched it as steadily as anything in this game as it rose to its present condition. Id like to say that having been on both sides of the coin offers a unique perspective. I dont care about whether people whine for or against in a lot of ways. I care more about the overall health of a game I love. Theres a lot of factors that are involved, and I know CCP is paying attention to them too, and I believe its a perfect firestorm that has been created at just the right time. I want my voice to be heard, even if it means little or a lot. Its time to speak up before its too late in that respect.

So while I cant offer a lot of advice going forward as to how to balance the game its something I will be keenly watching and being vocal about.

You clearly left out the little research part where the can flipper looks up their target's corp and checks local. So you are not fooling anybody. Don't go working your rationalization hamster too hard there snowflake.

I do not understand why you're so mad.

I mine in Nakugard in a suspect-flagged procurer. You can come gank me any time. (Don't forget the logi alts)

Honestly, engagement mechanics are irrelevant at this point. I can and have many times sat suspect in a barge or frigate surrounded by fleets of skiffs and procurers with hundreds of combined DPS worth of light drones.

They almost never aggress, because any highseccer with a brain that's played more than a month has experienced the joy of firing on a flashy in a reasonably killable ship only to be murdered by SUDDENLY LOGI, VINDIS, T3's, FALCONS, ORCA SWAPS etc., and learned from this experience that such an adventure only ends one way for them.