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Am I expecting too much of EVE?

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Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#21 - 2015-07-05 23:02:02 UTC
3yrs, eh? Maybe you've seen this before? http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
Eve if you solo a lot, there is still lots to do more or less.
Also you could try training up a lowish SP alt, do the things you typically don't do with your primary.
Then there is a lot of stuff on youtube for inspiration, such as this.
If you are somewhat creative, you can work on things revolving around EVE as you play, such as this or info/help websites, or windows/mac/android apps. You are only limited by yourself.

I'm in it for the money

Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#22 - 2015-07-06 00:13:22 UTC
Hir Miriel wrote:
On the surface being a space pilot should be a no brainer no failure. I love sci fi, I love MMOs. Why the disengage?

I like the training system, that feeling of gaining even when offline, and the need to plan a career path. If you want one.

I guess there's also a simple echo of that with the Planetary colonies, fun but pretty much as simple as tic tac toe.

I like mining, it tends to fit in with my schedule.

I like the odd flying session with my Dominix.

I do like being able to solo. Hate being forced to group. EVE still has that model where zerging gives the best rewards, but that's the same for any game and hard to design away from in an MMO setting.

I put up a little outpost, didn't do much with it and took it down because of incoming Entosis changes.

Hmm. Well looking over that list seems that I miss having anything complex to do.

Guess I expect too much.




You are going at it wrong.

All you are doing is experiencing game content. Chances are, you looked at online guides that told you how to do so. That makes things even less complex.


It's something of an epidemic in Eve. People "min maxing". If you are not greening your killboard or piling up ISK, you are failing at the game. So everybody gets shamed into these little pigeon holes and no deviation from "winning" by their definition which means blob PVP (or running from it) and endless boring grinding.

If you really want to have some complexity and challenges, carve your own niche in the game doing whatever you want. Good guy, bad guy, whatever. Your dumbest ideas might be the most fun and leave the self important raised-on-Ritalin kiddies with their ISK/stats obsession behind so they can bore themselves to death for all you would care.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Hippinse
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2015-07-06 01:51:44 UTC
Drago Shouna wrote:
THERE IS NO WAY TO PLAY THE GAME THE WRONG WAY IN EVE.


This misconception is understandable though, given how often various players will state it ["you're doing it wrong"] as fact.

You could design a murder/suicide drinking game around it.
Yarda Black
The Black Redemption
#24 - 2015-07-06 04:07:56 UTC
Zerging gives the best reward in life. That's why the social variant of humanity survived, created civilizations, dominated the planet and autism is considered a disorder .

The most complex thing on our planet are humans. You want complexity, but no humans, you may wanna try playing EVE blindfolded.

I think you in fact underestimated EVE's "realism".






Aralyn Cormallen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#25 - 2015-07-06 08:37:07 UTC
Marsha Mallow wrote:

This issue of being a solo player who doesn't want to be bossed about by others isn't such a massive deal once you work out how to get away with doing what you want within a group. Unless some nerd sits on your lap to play the game for you, you'll always be a solo player. Loads of players in larger groups just pay lip service to their corp/alliance then fart about doing what they want, and so they should. You don't have to be in comms, you don't have to be particularly sociable, and you certainly can ignore them 99% of the time (just pretend to be AFK). It's more about learning to balance the demands and expectations of player groups with your own needs - and there's absolutely nothing wrong with joining a group and telling them you are a bit reserved, then ignoring them politely. You just need to find the right group to do it in.


Most definitely this - I am in a massive corp in one of the largest alliances in the game, and I'm easily one of the most insular, quiet, socially awkward bloke you'll meet. I don't talk on comms, I don't talk on jabber, I intermittently post on forums (and I post here more than I do the alliance forums). Add to that, I have quite a busy real life and highly erratic schedule. But I want to participate in big battles, and my alliance likes having people who want to fight in big battles, so here I am, and here they are happy to have me.

Hell, the size of my alliance, if everyone was the super-talkative social guy, you would never be able to follow a single conversation in jabber or on the forums it would be so heavily spammed.
GankYou
9B30FF Labs
#26 - 2015-07-06 09:09:37 UTC  |  Edited by: GankYou
To me, the OP doesn't make much sense - just a collection of facts and no argument. Smile

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Commander Spurty
#27 - 2015-07-06 11:12:01 UTC
I read your post and do not see any difference (other than the words) to this post:

"I loaded up EVE ONLINE and WISHED Really really really hard for a cup of tea to materialize.

After a really really really long time, still no cup of tea.

I walked off and boiled the kettle to make my own.

I guess I expect too much"

"WELL DUR"

There are good ships,

And wood ships,

And ships that sail the sea

But the best ships are Spaceships

Built by CCP

Angelica Dreamstar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2015-07-06 13:21:07 UTC
The expectation itself is what ruining your experience, because expectations narrow the mind to what you expect plus a bitndeviation within the parameters. D'uh, really.

bingo, his pig not being a goat doesn't make the pig wrong, just him an idiot for shouting at his pig "WHY ARENT YOU A GOAT!" (Source)

-- Ralph King-Griffin, about deranged people playing EVE ONLINE

Andoen
Doomheim
#29 - 2015-07-06 13:49:39 UTC
I never understood why people assume solo players can only ever be high sec mission runners miners. I have been in the game for about two years now and am very much like the OP in that I hate being forced to fleet up and hate being forced to group. I have been in null alliances, I have done low sec small gang a bit, but I still really enjoy EVE most when purely solo. I have also never done more than a level 1 mission, and can't remember the last time I shot a rock with a laser. I largely do solo WH roaming with my two accounts. I scout down/run exploration sites and ninja salvage combat sites for ISK, and mainly like the thrill of being on my own in very hostile/unknown space mapping out where/how different groups operate.

Is it a conventional playstyle? No, not in the least, but I love it. To me the game isn't about artificially padding killboards by taking out a transport who can't shoot back, or by presing f1 once on a carrier kill, and being space rich seems fairly meaningless too. Its about finding what you enjoy.

I would encourage the OP to think outside the box, jump into something cloaky that can scan and see how deep into the rabbit hole you can get.
Stitch Kaneland
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#30 - 2015-07-06 14:07:43 UTC
I solo play EVE 95% of the time. I barely do missions, i fund my PvP expeditions by going out and pvp'n in lowsec. I dont run lvl4s in HS or FW. I cap/defend plexes, bait gangs, kill ppl and take their loots.

Solo is fun most times. Sometimes you die frquently,sometimes you kill a linked, pimpfit worm in hurricane. Recognizing when you need some friends with you or when they need you is another fun aspect of the game to me. There are plenty of times where i stop soloing to join a small militia gang because we can effectively counter another gang's comp. This wasnt planned, or took an hour sitting in a chat channel, waiting for a fleet to form-up. I was roaming, jumped a gate, see a group of friendlies and decide to offer some help. Thats all it takes to work as a group and break up the tediousness of solo roaming at times.

No matter how good you think you are at solo, there will always be gangs that you cannot fight on your own. Surprising your usual opponents who always think you're solo with bait and then a gang is just as fun sometimes :)
flakeys
Doomheim
#31 - 2015-07-06 14:11:56 UTC  |  Edited by: flakeys
Hir Miriel wrote:
On the surface being a space pilot should be a no brainer no failure. I love sci fi, I love MMOs. Why the disengage?

I like the training system, that feeling of gaining even when offline, and the need to plan a career path. If you want one.

I guess there's also a simple echo of that with the Planetary colonies, fun but pretty much as simple as tic tac toe.

I like mining, it tends to fit in with my schedule.

I like the odd flying session with my Dominix.

I do like being able to solo. Hate being forced to group. EVE still has that model where zerging gives the best rewards, but that's the same for any game and hard to design away from in an MMO setting.

I put up a little outpost, didn't do much with it and took it down because of incoming Entosis changes.

Hmm. Well looking over that list seems that I miss having anything complex to do.

Guess I expect too much.



Join faction warfare.It will give you more action then now and you can do it both solo as in a group.Ones you joined a fleet a few times i am pretty sure you'll like the ''multiplayer'' part about the game too.

I've enjoyed most aspects aside from wormhole living in my eve time and as someone who also likes to fly solo and isn't online a lot of hours a day i found FW space to suit me the best.

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.

flakeys
Doomheim
#32 - 2015-07-06 14:20:08 UTC
Aralyn Cormallen wrote:
Marsha Mallow wrote:

This issue of being a solo player who doesn't want to be bossed about by others isn't such a massive deal once you work out how to get away with doing what you want within a group. Unless some nerd sits on your lap to play the game for you, you'll always be a solo player. Loads of players in larger groups just pay lip service to their corp/alliance then fart about doing what they want, and so they should. You don't have to be in comms, you don't have to be particularly sociable, and you certainly can ignore them 99% of the time (just pretend to be AFK). It's more about learning to balance the demands and expectations of player groups with your own needs - and there's absolutely nothing wrong with joining a group and telling them you are a bit reserved, then ignoring them politely. You just need to find the right group to do it in.


Most definitely this - I am in a massive corp in one of the largest alliances in the game, and I'm easily one of the most insular, quiet, socially awkward bloke you'll meet. I don't talk on comms, I don't talk on jabber, I intermittently post on forums (and I post here more than I do the alliance forums). Add to that, I have quite a busy real life and highly erratic schedule. But I want to participate in big battles, and my alliance likes having people who want to fight in big battles, so here I am, and here they are happy to have me.

Hell, the size of my alliance, if everyone was the super-talkative social guy, you would never be able to follow a single conversation in jabber or on the forums it would be so heavily spammed.



Most friends i have in goons are actually like this.I remember when we had the Halloween war and i was in FCON at the time.I joined as many fleets as i could , so when my friends came online and i asked them in wich of the 6 or so fleets they where the answer was ''none''.They are the types who do their own thing within an Alliance and avoid corpchat/allianchat and teamspeak/mumble as much as they can .The bigger the Alliance the better you can do that.If i didn't know them as good as i do i would call them leechers , but they are the nicest guys and if i ask something from them they'll drop their **** and do it immediatly without asking something in return.

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.

DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#33 - 2015-07-06 16:21:23 UTC
you are limiting yourself by playing solo. Go join a group

OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!

Eve For life.

Eli Stan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2015-07-06 16:30:06 UTC
Hir Miriel wrote:
On the surface being a space pilot should be a no brainer no failure. I love sci fi, I love MMOs. Why the disengage?

I like the training system, that feeling of gaining even when offline, and the need to plan a career path. If you want one.

I guess there's also a simple echo of that with the Planetary colonies, fun but pretty much as simple as tic tac toe.

I like mining, it tends to fit in with my schedule.

I like the odd flying session with my Dominix.

I do like being able to solo. Hate being forced to group. EVE still has that model where zerging gives the best rewards, but that's the same for any game and hard to design away from in an MMO setting.

I put up a little outpost, didn't do much with it and took it down because of incoming Entosis changes.

Hmm. Well looking over that list seems that I miss having anything complex to do.

Guess I expect too much.


I'm confused by something. You say "I love MMOs" and "I do like being able to solo" which seem contradictory to me. Can you expand on why you love MMOs yet like going solo?

If you mean you like to play against other players, while not playing with anybody else, there are plenty of opportunities for that in EVE.


  • Factional Warfare.
  • Solo PvP in low, null and wormholes. (Best done in kiting ships so you can selectively engage and disengage.)
  • Ninja looting.
  • Exploration, especially in low, null and wormholes.
  • Mission runner hunting.
  • Market PvP (which in itself can take many forms.)
  • Scamming.
  • Wardecing targets you think you can take on in highsec.


Attempting to build a bigger POS than somebody else, or fit a more blingy Raven than somebody else, are not forms of PvP that are generally considering interesting in EVE.
flakeys
Doomheim
#35 - 2015-07-06 17:45:29 UTC  |  Edited by: flakeys
Eli Stan wrote:
Hir Miriel wrote:
On the surface being a space pilot should be a no brainer no failure. I love sci fi, I love MMOs. Why the disengage?

I like the training system, that feeling of gaining even when offline, and the need to plan a career path. If you want one.

I guess there's also a simple echo of that with the Planetary colonies, fun but pretty much as simple as tic tac toe.

I like mining, it tends to fit in with my schedule.

I like the odd flying session with my Dominix.

I do like being able to solo. Hate being forced to group. EVE still has that model where zerging gives the best rewards, but that's the same for any game and hard to design away from in an MMO setting.

I put up a little outpost, didn't do much with it and took it down because of incoming Entosis changes.

Hmm. Well looking over that list seems that I miss having anything complex to do.

Guess I expect too much.


I'm confused by something. You say "I love MMOs" and "I do like being able to solo" which seem contradictory to me. Can you expand on why you love MMOs yet like going solo?

If you mean you like to play against other players, while not playing with anybody else, there are plenty of opportunities for that in EVE.


  • Factional Warfare.
  • Solo PvP in low, null and wormholes. (Best done in kiting ships so you can selectively engage and disengage.)
  • Ninja looting.
  • Exploration, especially in low, null and wormholes.
  • Mission runner hunting.
  • Market PvP (which in itself can take many forms.)
  • Scamming.
  • Wardecing targets you think you can take on in highsec.


Attempting to build a bigger POS than somebody else, or fit a more blingy Raven than somebody else, are not forms of PvP that are generally considering interesting in EVE.


Some people like the idea that all those ships passing , people chatting and people shooting are reall persons and meanwhile in that world they like to do their own thing as you also state yourself.

I've played like that for a big amount of my eve time switching from playing in big alliances to going solo roaming in low-sec/null-sec.I've played a lot of games where i like the game mostly because you are competing with reall players , to be precise i rarely play a single player because of that reason , yet i never join any clan/group in those games.

People missread ''prefer playing solo'' as generally rather playing a solo game and also in contradict with what a lot of people assume , people who do play solo are often verry social people.They just prefer to do what they want to do immediatly when they log on and within someone asking/telling them to do something else first because of reasons.

So in short , playing solo does not mean no interaction with others and i can understand why people prefer this playstyle.

That list you made is indeed what is lacking for OP , he seems to be narrowminded to what one person can do in eve , there are so many options in wich you can entertain yourself solo.I lived in syndicate for half a year on my own with only a handfull of blues and they lived on the other side of syndicate.I just did solo-plexing and solo pvping.Same thing for low-sec.And as far as carebearing goes , trading is another form of pvp wich if it suits you can be verry much fun.

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.

Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#36 - 2015-07-06 20:04:17 UTC
Ain't that sweet, people (for the millionth time) offering helpful advice and tips to someone who is suffering from their own personal self limiting behavior and doesn't want 'help', but rather appears to want someone else (CCP maybe?) to fix things for him.

Eventually you learn that these types can't be helped. When you do, you find yourself with all this free time because your not wasting it anymore lol.
Karl Jerr
Herzack Unit
#37 - 2015-07-06 23:15:56 UTC
I do solo since Dec 2014, with a small off time in between and frankly even solo you have so much things to do. There is no limitations to how you want evolve your character in game

I do mostly exploration in low and mission in high. But the next step I will try finally is FW, because low sec is fun even when you are blapped (I don't play for a killboard), and FW would be something different.

I don't join any player's corp because I don't talk very well in English (even if I can understand on comms) and have a realtively limited playtime, not suitable for most corps I think. I like to take some initiatives too, not suited for a corp.

But as flakeys said, even solo you fly among other players and that's cool because they create unexpectable events which is pretty unique to Eve.

Some people can hate us to not join a players' corp, but that doesn't mean that you don't interact with people, don't join a fleet for a limited time event or participate to an in-game event.
Marsha Mallow
#38 - 2015-07-06 23:57:52 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Ain't that sweet, people (for the millionth time) offering helpful advice and tips to someone who is suffering from their own personal self limiting behavior and doesn't want 'help', but rather appears to want someone else (CCP maybe?) to fix things for him.

Eventually you learn that these types can't be helped. When you do, you find yourself with all this free time because your not wasting it anymore lol.

Perhaps not, but the lurkers reading who don't dare express this thought in case someone starts raging at them might find the discussion useful. Put that spacezimmerframe down before you collapse.

There's an ingame channel for people doing solo pvp btw, think it's 'Bringing Solo Back' or it was a few months ago.

Ripard Teg > For the morons in the room:

Sweets > U can dd my face any day

joyous the
Slippery Penguin
#39 - 2015-07-07 05:16:48 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Ain't that sweet, people (for the millionth time) offering helpful advice and tips to someone who is suffering from their own personal self limiting behavior and doesn't want 'help', but rather appears to want someone else (CCP maybe?) to fix things for him.

Eventually you learn that these types can't be helped. When you do, you find yourself with all this free time because your not wasting it anymore lol.


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Sykaotic
Doomheim
#40 - 2015-07-07 06:02:41 UTC
A touch of creativity and imagination can go a long way.

GL
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