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Marlin Spikes
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2015-07-05 22:03:49 UTC
As I’m lazily sitting on my ping cloaked watching CODE do what CODE does, a one-day-old war target lands 15km off the gate in a noob ship. As it accelerates towards the gate, I warp down to greet him. Blapped and podded for auto-piloting during a war. Yes I know, sounds like high-sec problems. Feeling like I accomplished a lot for the day, I re-cloaked on the gate and picked up my bag of cheetos.

A few minutes later, I couldn’t believe my eyes. The same red-blinking pilot still flying in an noob ship lands 15km off the gate (auto-piloting of course). Turns out, no one took the time to teach this pilot how to navigate or avoid war targets. We had to take the time out of our busy lives to teach this guy how to get out of system. Yes, we could have let him go, but what would that have taught him?

My point....train your newbies. They are our future :)

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Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2 - 2015-07-05 22:10:02 UTC
Marlin Spikes wrote:
As I’m lazily sitting on my ping cloaked watching CODE do what CODE does, a one-day-old war target lands 15km off the gate in a noob ship. As it accelerates towards the gate, I warp down to greet him. Blapped and podded for auto-piloting during a war. Yes I know, sounds like high-sec problems. Feeling like I accomplished a lot for the day, I re-cloaked on the gate and picked up my bag of cheetos.

A few minutes later, I couldn’t believe my eyes. The same red-blinking pilot still flying in an noob ship lands 15km off the gate (auto-piloting of course). Turns out, no one took the time to teach this pilot how to navigate or avoid war targets. We had to take the time out of our busy lives to teach this guy how to get out of system. Yes, we could have let him go, but what would that have taught him?

My point....train your newbies. They are our future :)



I blame the interface/tutorial.

This happened to me long, long ago. Nobody ever told me how to warp without autopilot. So, that's what I did.

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admiral root
Red Galaxy
#3 - 2015-07-05 23:41:12 UTC
Marlin Spikes wrote:
train your newbies. They are our future :)


You're clearly a newbie-hater. :)

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
Yang Aurilen
State War Academy
Caldari State
#4 - 2015-07-06 00:37:27 UTC
Leto Thule wrote:
Marlin Spikes wrote:
As I’m lazily sitting on my ping cloaked watching CODE do what CODE does, a one-day-old war target lands 15km off the gate in a noob ship. As it accelerates towards the gate, I warp down to greet him. Blapped and podded for auto-piloting during a war. Yes I know, sounds like high-sec problems. Feeling like I accomplished a lot for the day, I re-cloaked on the gate and picked up my bag of cheetos.

A few minutes later, I couldn’t believe my eyes. The same red-blinking pilot still flying in an noob ship lands 15km off the gate (auto-piloting of course). Turns out, no one took the time to teach this pilot how to navigate or avoid war targets. We had to take the time out of our busy lives to teach this guy how to get out of system. Yes, we could have let him go, but what would that have taught him?

My point....train your newbies. They are our future :)



I blame the interface/tutorial.

This happened to me long, long ago. Nobody ever told me how to warp without autopilot. So, that's what I did.


I once did the SoE arc on autopilot.

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Petre en Thielles
Doomheim
#5 - 2015-07-06 16:34:16 UTC
Marlin Spikes wrote:
As I’m lazily sitting on my ping cloaked watching CODE do what CODE does, a one-day-old war target lands 15km off the gate in a noob ship. As it accelerates towards the gate, I warp down to greet him. Blapped and podded for auto-piloting during a war. Yes I know, sounds like high-sec problems. Feeling like I accomplished a lot for the day, I re-cloaked on the gate and picked up my bag of cheetos.

A few minutes later, I couldn’t believe my eyes. The same red-blinking pilot still flying in an noob ship lands 15km off the gate (auto-piloting of course). Turns out, no one took the time to teach this pilot how to navigate or avoid war targets. We had to take the time out of our busy lives to teach this guy how to get out of system. Yes, we could have let him go, but what would that have taught him?

My point....train your newbies. They are our future :)



Sorry, was the character one day old, or the wardec one day old? Because no one should be popping one day old true newbies, wardec or not.
Yourmoney Mywallet
Doomheim
#6 - 2015-07-06 22:44:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Yourmoney Mywallet
Petre en Thielles wrote:
Marlin Spikes wrote:
As I’m lazily sitting on my ping cloaked watching CODE do what CODE does, a one-day-old war target lands 15km off the gate in a noob ship. As it accelerates towards the gate, I warp down to greet him. Blapped and podded for auto-piloting during a war. Yes I know, sounds like high-sec problems. Feeling like I accomplished a lot for the day, I re-cloaked on the gate and picked up my bag of cheetos.

A few minutes later, I couldn’t believe my eyes. The same red-blinking pilot still flying in an noob ship lands 15km off the gate (auto-piloting of course). Turns out, no one took the time to teach this pilot how to navigate or avoid war targets. We had to take the time out of our busy lives to teach this guy how to get out of system. Yes, we could have let him go, but what would that have taught him?

My point....train your newbies. They are our future :)



Sorry, was the character one day old, or the wardec one day old? Because no one should be popping one day old true newbies, wardec or not.

a) pop all the things. always.

b) if he's really a trunoob, pop him first then take the time to explain to him what happened. also tell him that his ceo will make up for his loss, because - well, that's what a corp is for, no?

c) but yeah - pop all the things.
Tora Bushido
The Marmite Mercenaries
BLACKFLAG.
#7 - 2015-07-06 23:07:50 UTC
Petre en Thielles wrote:
Sorry, was the character one day old, or the wardec one day old? Because no one should be popping one day old true newbies, wardec or not.
I'm an evil war lord ! And if I want to SRP war target newbies we just shot, I shall enforce my isks upon him. If he wants it or not !! Twisted

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Noragen Neirfallas
Emotional Net Loss
#8 - 2015-07-07 00:27:02 UTC
Petre en Thielles wrote:

Sorry, was the character one day old, or the wardec one day old? Because no one should be popping one day old true newbies, wardec or not.

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Petre en Thielles
Doomheim
#9 - 2015-07-07 01:29:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Petre en Thielles
Yourmoney Mywallet wrote:

a) pop all the things. always.

b) if he's really a trunoob, pop him first then take the time to explain to him what happened. also tell him that his ceo will make up for his loss, because - well, that's what a corp is for, no?

c) but yeah - pop all the things.



dude, you do realize f*cking with actual newbies is not allowed by CCP, right? we can't complain about not getting enough players in the game and poor NPE and then pop one day old toons who don't understand the game yet. Go gank someone who at least knows what an afterburner is, for christ sake.

Gank, by all means, but don't be an a**hole about it to true newbies. If CCP finds out you are doing that, bad things will happen.
Noragen Neirfallas
Emotional Net Loss
#10 - 2015-07-07 01:30:40 UTC
Petre en Thielles wrote:
Yourmoney Mywallet wrote:

a) pop all the things. always.

b) if he's really a trunoob, pop him first then take the time to explain to him what happened. also tell him that his ceo will make up for his loss, because - well, that's what a corp is for, no?

c) but yeah - pop all the things.



dude, you do realize f*cking with actual newbies is not allowed by CCP, right? we can't complain about not getting enough players and then pop one day old toons who don't understand the game yet.

Gank, by all means, but don't be an a**hole about it to true newbies. If CCP finds out you are doing that, bad things will happen.

No

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Petre en Thielles
Doomheim
#11 - 2015-07-07 01:35:58 UTC
Noragen Neirfallas wrote:

No


Um, yes, in response to asking what is a rookie:

GM Homonoia wrote:

We are not going to define them. We say 8 days, someone will target 9 day old people. Again, spirit of the rule, not the letter. If you find yourself trying to figure out specifically where we draw the line you are obviously targeting rookies, which is NOT allowed. You decide to do this, you will find out where the line is when we warn you.


If you're specifically targeting newbies, you need to take a step back and have your head examined.
Noragen Neirfallas
Emotional Net Loss
#12 - 2015-07-07 01:53:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Noragen Neirfallas
Allow me to elaborate

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dude, you do realize f*cking with actual newbies is not allowed by CCP, right? we can't complain about not getting enough players and then pop one day old toons who don't understand the game yet.

******* with newbies is not only allowed its actively encouraged in this game in all areas except a specific set of new bro systems ( to allow them to get a basic grasp of mechanics)
Personally I pop newbros all the time and unless they decide to be dicks about it generally they get a replaced ship and a suggestion of corps to join (if they are in some terrible one that doesn't help newbros)

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If you're specifically targeting newbies, you need to take a step back and have your head examined.

CCP has proven that killing newbros is infact good for retention. One would assume those who take their time to help these new players get into eve should be given praise not implied they are unstable.

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Petre en Thielles
Doomheim
#13 - 2015-07-07 01:59:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Petre en Thielles
Noragen Neirfallas wrote:

******* with newbies is not only allowed its actively encouraged in this game in all areas except a specific set of new bro systems ( to allow them to get a basic grasp of mechanics)
Personally I pop newbros all the time and unless they decide to be dicks about it generally they get a replaced ship and a suggestion of corps to join (if they are in some terrible one that doesn't help newbros)


I wasn't responding to you. Did the guy I was talking to offer replacement ships? Not at all. Was just popping a day old toon for sh*ts and giggles. That's completely different than what you are talking about.

Stay away from anyone not even though the career missions and the SOE arc. After that, I agree with you 100%. People not through the career missions don't even know how to warp to a gate. They get popped, that's being a ****. Popping the month old guy and then giving him a ship I completely support

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CCP has proof that killing newbros is infact good for retention. One would assume those who take their time to help these new players get into eve should be given praise not implied they are unstable.


Care to give any proof for that? and I mean day old newbies, not even done with career missions who don't know how to even fly, not month in people.
Noragen Neirfallas
Emotional Net Loss
#14 - 2015-07-07 02:26:01 UTC
Petre en Thielles wrote:

I wasn't responding to you. Did the guy I was talking to offer replacement ships? Not at all. Was just popping a day old toon for sh*ts and giggles. That's completely different than what you are talking about.

Marlin Spikes
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We had to take the time out of our busy lives to teach this guy how to get out of system. Yes, we could have let him go, but what would that have taught him?

I'll just leave that here

Petre en Thielles wrote:

Stay away from anyone not even though the career missions and the SOE arc. After that, I agree with you 100%. People not through the career missions don't even know how to warp to a gate. They get popped, that's being a ****. Popping the month old guy and then giving him a ship I completely support

If they are competent enough to join a corp they are competent enough to get shot at. Bare in mind this happened in
A a pipe and
B under wardec
Failing this B trumps newbro status. You can take my word for that as proving it is a forum rule violation

Petre en Thielles wrote:
Noragen Neirfallas wrote:

CCP has proof that killing newbros is infact good for retention



Care to give any proof for that?

It doesn't surprise me that you pop newbies. Easy, mindless kills wiithout a fight is what HS mercs live for, isn't it?

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#15 - 2015-07-07 02:33:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Petre en Thielles wrote:

I wasn't responding to you. Did the guy I was talking to offer replacement ships? Not at all. Was just popping a day old toon for sh*ts and giggles. That's completely different than what you are talking about.
OP stated said newbie was a war target, as such said newbie is a legit target regardless of age; any criticism should be aimed at the people who recruited them for failing at responsible recruiting and making sure that newbies they recruit are taken care of.

Marmite took better care of the newbie than the corp that recruited him did.

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Noragen Neirfallas
Emotional Net Loss
#16 - 2015-07-07 02:43:26 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:

Marmite took better care of the newbie than the corp that recruited him did.

Sadly this is a daily occurrence. I often have week old players asking how they can join us because in my 20 min conversation they learned more then the 3 days they had been in xyz corp. I politely direct them to eve uni normally but it makes me sad all these 5% corp tax corps recruiting en masse for their own gains. Surely a CCP study needs to be done on player retention of this kind of activity.

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#17 - 2015-07-07 02:52:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Noragen Neirfallas wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:

Marmite took better care of the newbie than the corp that recruited him did.

Sadly this is a daily occurrence. I often have week old players asking how they can join us because in my 20 min conversation they learned more then the 3 days they had been in xyz corp. I politely direct them to eve uni normally but it makes me sad all these 5% corp tax corps recruiting en masse for their own gains. Surely a CCP study needs to be done on player retention of this kind of activity.

Not shocked tbh, there's plenty of corps out there that shouldn't exist, let alone be recruiting newbies.

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Petre en Thielles
Doomheim
#18 - 2015-07-07 02:54:41 UTC
Noragen Neirfallas wrote:

I'll just leave that here



because he is one day into the game. Do you remember how insane it was your first month in EVE? Take time to help them, not kill them for the lols.

Quote:

If they are competent enough to join a corp they are competent enough to get shot at. Bare in mind this happened in
A a pipe and
B under wardec
Failing this B trumps newbro status. You can take my word for that as proving it is a forum rule violation


Are you really this ignorant? Do you realize how many people start convos with newbies asking them to join a corp? A huge chunk of newbros join simply because someone asked.

Again, stop getting your jollies off shooting day old players, FFS

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Of course I can. I would be you if I couldn't spitting out nonsense. Link Enjoy

No we live for the tears that people like you generate in our local chats, mail boxes and forum sections Blink


Care to summarize? I'm not watching a 36 minute video for the sake of a forum conversation.

I'm not talking for myself. I have lived in HS for two months in the three years I have played EVE. I'm not that much of a bear that I enjoy blapping people who don't fight back....

Do you honestly not see the issue with shooting players who are one day in the game? Hang out in rookie chat for a few days and see what kind of questions they ask. You might gain some sympathy.

Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
OP stated said newbie was a war target, as such said newbie is a legit target regardless of age; any criticism should be aimed at the people who recruited them for failing at responsible recruiting and making sure that newbies they recruit are taken care of.

Marmite took better care of the newbie than the corp that recruited him did.


And I'm just saying take it easy on new players. Give them a month or so to learn to ropes. If you are shooting two day old players who haven't even finished the career missions, you aren't helping anyone.

What is it with high sec mercs and their being afraid of fights?
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#19 - 2015-07-07 03:03:19 UTC
Petre en Thielles wrote:


Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
OP stated said newbie was a war target, as such said newbie is a legit target regardless of age; any criticism should be aimed at the people who recruited them for failing at responsible recruiting and making sure that newbies they recruit are taken care of.

Marmite took better care of the newbie than the corp that recruited him did.


And I'm just saying take it easy on new players. Give them a month or so to learn to ropes. If you are shooting two day old players who haven't even finished the career missions, you aren't helping anyone.

What is it with high sec mercs and their being afraid of fights?

A: Nobody checks a war targets age before firing, that comes later.
B: There's a 50/50 chance that a new character is an alt, there's a reason Eve is known as a game of alts.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#20 - 2015-07-07 03:22:12 UTC
Pretty much what Jonah said. If after detonation it turns out they have a good attitude and want to learn more then oftentimes a chat will happen.

However, if they are in a player corp and under wardec then there is no reasonable expectation for anyone NOT to shoot at them.
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