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Eve Missiles Defense Buff --Vs-- Defender Missiles in PVP

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Sanai Nobuseri
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2015-07-05 15:30:12 UTC
With the New Orthrus Meta that has become wildly rampant and with the huge buff to missiles incoming with both range and the increased missiles resistances I wish to know if CCP is going to be buffing the damage that defender Missiles do to make up for the Missile buff and if CCP is going to bother making Defender Missiles more viable of an Option in pvp.

Alot of people find them to be incredibly useless, and to a large extent in pvp they are, but I have been recently using them against Cerbs and the Orthrus and have found them to Mitigate dps to a much more manageable level and have been sticking them in my utility slot on alot of ships that I fly.

Does CCP have plans in order to modify/buff this game Mechanic?

Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#2 - 2015-07-05 15:33:39 UTC
If missiles became a secondary weapon system which only used one or two high slots, defender missiles would have a role.
Daemun Khanid
Corbeau de sang
#3 - 2015-07-05 15:51:57 UTC
Huge buff to missiles? Have you read the thread concerning missile changes? That said, a change to defender missiles would actually make sense given the hitpoint changes so you can pretty much forget about it.

Daemun of Khanid

Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#4 - 2015-07-05 16:28:33 UTC
I hope defender missiles happen. I hope defender lasers happen.
stoicfaux
#5 - 2015-07-05 16:41:57 UTC
Do defenders even work against missiles fired from Mordu Ships? A while back I did some testing against NPC defenders (which I assume use the same intercept code for player defenders) whose effectiveness was abysmal against 15km/s HMLs, and were completely ineffective at short and long ranges. (Mordu ships have 16km/s to 19km/s light and heavy missiles.)

Player defenders may fare better due to players timing the launch better, but with the graphics lag (missiles can hit before the GUI shows them hitting) and lag in general, I have doubts.

IMHO, due to various reasons, defenders are pretty much useless and need to be dropped in favor of a CIWS module (.e.g. abstracted gun/laser point defense.)

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.

Spurty
#6 - 2015-07-06 11:15:59 UTC
Defender missiles are like the 'Micro Shield Extender'.

They exist in game and do perform a function, but anyone actually using them for any purpose is terribly misinformed from the beginning.

There are good ships,

And wood ships,

And ships that sail the sea

But the best ships are Spaceships

Built by CCP

Sanai Nobuseri
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2015-07-06 16:49:09 UTC
I use the defender missiles in pvp, alot of times I am flying a ship that has space for one launcher with my guns, so I stick in a light missiles launcher with defender missiles in it and it reduces the dps from ships say the Orthrus and the Cerberus by 1/5th effectively canceling out one of there launchers. The Mitigation in dps doesnt seem like alot but it increases your survivability against some highly OP ships which is great in pvp.

With the defense buff to missiles incoming because of smart bomb damage, it pretty much cancels out the defender missiles entirely so even that little niche use becomes rather useless.

Hence I would like to see a buff to the defender missiles to coincide with the defence buff missiles are getting to make them more difficult to firewall.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#8 - 2015-07-06 18:28:30 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
I hope defender missiles happen. I hope defender lasers happen.



Yep in RL we have gun turrets that can shoot down missiles and ships that don't have bays should have the option to equip turrets that can perform such a role.

Of course defender missiles have in the meantime been a complete joke and I'm trained to level 5 for them even. The only thing I ever used them for is to recover tank in a drake when being ECM spammed in a mission.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#9 - 2015-07-06 21:27:38 UTC
Paladins. C&C Generals. Laser upgrade. One of the more satisfying sounds in the game.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#10 - 2015-07-07 00:34:06 UTC
I'd bet most people that say they defender missiles are trash have never actually used them, because they are much worse than that.