Wormholes

How about if you only appeared instantly in local if you came through a stargate and it took ~30 to ??s || you warping to a structure || you talking to appear ...

Aside from the obvious buff for blops (which has to be considered), might it make things a little more active in WH space? I know it would make NS holes from low-class space more interesting - would it break C5 / C6 space?

The delay would be shorter for LS and very short for HS, on account of the greater presence of CONCORD. It might even be dependent on system size, cloakyness, signature radius etc..

No.

I hate null, and I think this would be a bad idea.

There are better methods of addressing local besides coming up with gimicy mechanics. We opposed delay of wormhole spawn for similar reasons.

In these cases, there is nothing a perfectly skilled and aware player could do to avoid getting killed. You punish the player for doing nothing wrong and everything right.

You know I would only of got null tears in F&I, :D; my primary worry is that this that this would make high-class space, where most of the NS WHs spawn, un-livable (not that QEX, LH and HK are slacking there in any respect :P), hence the post here. I would say that coming through a gate puts you on grid with a structure and as such should immediately register you in the local channel. Gates aren't nerfed, but scouting, rolling off and being aware of wormhole connections is made more valuable, increasing content for us guys.



Point me to those better methods, I'd be interested to read them - removing local altogether is a non-starter. You're wrong with the second point, there's plenty you can do and WH space pilots have been doing it for years:
- Post scouts (no statics, typically 1 or 2 WHs every other NS system, all you need is 1 or two alts)
- Roll your WH connections (no statics, if you roll you've cleared your system until another incoming pops up - which if you're paying attention you'll notice, I wholeheartedly agree that delayed spawns are / were a bad idea, let's hope they never resurface).
- If you're in a deadspace pocket (L5s, combat sigs), a gank has to come through the acceleration gates which means the ganker getting registered in local and decloaked.
- Be aligned out and watch d-scan for ships / probes.
- If you're too lazy / lack friends or alts / just want to be left alone, rat in the next system along where there are no wormholes and your gankers have to come through the gates like normal (or go to (minmatar) HS, where minimal risk gameplay belongs).

Just to point it out: anomalies have beacons in them at the warp in, which I would count as a structure that the ganker is on grid with, causing them to be registered in local immediately.

This only affects pilots who are not willing to put a little precautionary effort in, which IM (heavily biased) O you should have to to do in "null security" space.



Sarcasm appreciated Jack.

lol, i like it :P

Taking it to its logical conclusion, you should appear in local if youre on grid with a gate leading to the system.
EG: if youre on the Jita gate in new caldari, you should appear in Jita local.

A whole new hilarious way to troll null bears :P

That's certainly what it feels like. In the recent discussions with CCP Larrikin and WH space groups about Fleet warp changes, he said that we have to keep taking baby steps rather than making sweeping changes to the game - got the impression he'd like to see local removed entirely.

The / One problem is finding a baby-step you can take in the direction of no-local that doesn't change the current meta violently.

Offsetting a delay in appearing in local with immediate appearance in local when you're on-grid with infrastructure seems to allow you to use all the current methods for avoiding PvP, but gives the tackle time to find their target before it runs.

Sortdragon thinks local needs to stay.

In the PvP community, no doubt. In the PvE community the opposite is probably true, there are a lot of them you know, these PvErs.



It would be nice, but those null-bear tears will stop such a big step. Don't underestimate their saltyness ...

I like this idea.

You would still need a sizable fleet to drop on the citadel though to take out the surveillance unit. This kinda defeats the point of the thread: there's no element of surprise. I get the feeling that, currently, NS could do with a bit of a surprise now and then.

I like the fluff side of it though, maybe give it a range from the citadel, or make it more like a d-scan - it can't see cloaky or combat recon ships.

Additionally, I think just having a delay in LS would be too difficult to balance.