Missions & Complexes

Hello,

After a lot relic & data in null sec, I've come to think they deserve some love from CCP. I'm not talking about a simple buff by increasing the loots, but their reward is fairly low most of the time.

What they've done with sleeper cache is really cool and I don't know why they don't do something like that with regular null / WH relic & data sites.

It'd make exploration more challenging, and more rewardful, making it a viable profession that would need a higher skill & ISK investment to be pushed at it's finest.

Yeah, more interesting PVE is always a good idea. Sometimes normal relic and data sites are more like forgotten trash heaps then sites you run. It doesn't have to be shooting enemies all the time, but at least something should happen sometimes to break up the monotony.

Hidden timers to blow up cans like in ghost sites or ancient mechanisms you have to operate like in Sleeper caches for example. Or sometimes you could find hints leading to some forgotten ancient ruin / hidden pirate stash. Adding relic and data sites to the expedition-system would be neat. Why should combat-sites be the only ones leading to an escalation?

Just some random ideas I had.

I've actually missed that line when venturing in to null-sec and WH space as a month-old pilot. May I refer You to an article that altered my view on exploration:


EVE Online Exploration Guide: Billions and Billions (of ISK)



Have You been to Sleeper or drone data/relic sites? In the first one You have to go though waves of Sleeper drones (or utilize some clever bookmark mechanic) to be able to get to each can while the second one spawns rouge drones after You hack the cans.

I must agree on the outcome buff tho. While the null-sec sites (especially Sanshas's) can yield over 100M ISK, the profit level does not scale in proportion to the risk level. Based on my experience right now You get something similar to the following:

(relic sites)
HS: 1-5M ISK
LS: 10-20M ISK
NS (and WH pirate sites since they're basically the same): 40-100M ISK

There is also a major disproportion between data and relic sites (the first yielding relative crap in lower security space) although this could have its source in the lore somewhere.

I agree that deep, alliance-owned null-sec is the most safe place to explore risk vs. reward-wise. The problem is getting Your profit out. Wormholes make it easier but You still have to find them which can take several systems to scan.

If you are excluding sleeper sites, then the "entire profession" is not accessible to a 3 month old character.

Not at all representative. You will more often get under 40 than over.

Marech.

The exploration of pirate relic/data in null and wormholes is fine as is. New explorers gain a foothold in the profession by training, gaining some sp and experience flying said systems and then move into killing sleepers in sites containing them when they are able. Its progressive, scaled correctly and pays enough isk vs risk. Just as sleeper sites do. Its not 100m an hour, maybe closer to 40, but the effort is minimal as well. Outer Null is soooo empty. I watch movies and scan, very rarely paying attention to the 1 or 2 jumping in and out as I scan. Dont sit on a pipe, stay cloaked, use the map forcwgat its worth, profit.

This is all in a Buzzard. Fly something larger with combat abilities and you should be exploring combat sites and higher class wormholes. Why fly a blingy strat if all you are doing is scanning sites with nothing but cans?

They dont need buffing or altering. However, If I were forced to make a change, Id limit the potential for explorers to find backwater routes in null through minimal jumps via wh due to how dead null has become... its almost too easy vs the rewards gained. I scan around 20 hours a week in null on an alt and see on average 2 bubbles total. I get very little notice and only have to abandon or change my route maybe once per week due to sneaky/hopeful small gangs.

If the rewards went beyond that of a skilled but casual Lv4 mission runner I probably would say something but it doesnt. Just dont buff them. No npc needed. Thats what c4+ are for. The rest are just steps into the profession.

Just my opinion. Had a few beers, hope that was relevant and made sense, if not then meh. "wheres all the rum gone"!?

Before ccp named them relic and data sites they where called magnetometric and something something..( how can i forget that..) and they had npc's in them that you had to kill in order to hack..much like sleeper relic/data. So i don't think they will go backwards.


If they add more ghost sites that would be great.



As far as relics goes , they are good but recently lacking in reward , what used to net me on avarage 50 mil per relic is now avarage 20 in null/wh with the ocasional 50-100 for sansha and 300 + if i can find a pos bpc.


Due note i did find several months ago a large angel tower in a C1 angel relic that gave me 2 bil isk after i sold it....and also quite recently a 250 mil shadow serp pos bpc... So yea , once in a while you get lucky.




Data sites are total crap everywhere.





Imo ccp shouldnt do anything else to them ...keep them as they are else risk breaking them more...