Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Maybe not, but they are vulnerable to guys in really small boats with harpoons.


Gankers are not immune to loss. They are, however, smart enough to mitigate the loss they do suffer down to its lowest possible value. A ganker is not "risking" his Catalyst, he is paying the price of his chosen profession in its loss.

As someone who's flown his freighter alt through highsec for years without ever losing one, I say the fault for losing a ship to a ganker rests entirely on he who got ganked. Read the guides on how to avoid ganks, and use every single method every single time, and you're pretty much 100% safe already.

If ISK is supposed to be a balance, does that mean it should be impossible to kill a titan or a super with subcaps?

I'm going to tell you to which safespot on your body you shall stick your armor fit drake of an opinion on what I'm supposed to do.

Gankers can be shot, but that would be futile, as they are loss-immune.
Half a million is not a cost and not even a pocket change. It's basically free activity. Catalysts are free. That is a problem.

If you pointlessly blinged your catalyst with T2, it's your own problem, and another symptom that ganking is over-enabled based on the fact that gankers are not bothered by unnecessary extra costs at all. Well, no risk, infinite reward, what would you expect?

ISK balance is a perfectly sound argument, your moronic belittling of it, trying to troll your way around it or other attempts to nullify it are futile.

Since everything can be freely ganked, if something is not ganked, it's because gankers are super lazy, super bad players, nothing else. Each and every one of those freighters are gankable, if you don't take it, that is your problem.

So far I have not received a single sound argument of the opposite, except some bla-bla and 1/10 imbecility-induced trolling attempts.

And once again, I have nothing against efforts of dozen people trying to kill me, I'm against their ability to do it for free. Loss immunity should not be a thing in our eve.

Show me a free gank ship that can be used in a gang of 20 to kill a freighter in highsec before concord arrives.

Your points are wrong, as has been explained many, many times. You simply choose to ignore anyone who doesn't agree with you. That is not how a discussion works.

Answer Baltec's question.

I answered it in full. He already confirmed the free ship point. I just shown him how free ship works.
And once again, to break your lack of reading comprehension, I were only baselessly told to be wrong by likes of you, who are yet to bring a single argument why.

The best one you brought is that "ISK balance should not be a reason to remove my loss immunity", while clearly ISK balance is one of the MANY reasons I specified why your loss immunity should be removed. The rest was just blabbering and attempts to call whoever you gewnies assume to be higher authorities.


Thought of trying it, but this is just too far from viability. You lose a bs, gankers lose free ships, and smartbombs have a good chance to help gank by applying extra dps, if they would even work (known to lag very hard in crowded hisec places).
Thus no, yet another "ganking counter" proved to be inefficient and this one will most likely be counter-productive.

Yea, now share out a 2 bil cargo drop between 103 people. Hell lets see you get 100 people to join you on a regular basis.

Still waiting on that free ship.

What we know as fact.

1. Ganking Catalysts are not free. It's not even like the simple statement some make, regarding those minerals you mine yourself. Each and everyone, costs ISK. As can be seen by the fact that I now cannot jump in to Eve and fill my hanger with a million of them (or even one) and not have my wallet flash. This is ignoring the fittings cost of course, which are also not free.

2. Freighters were not and never have been "not supposed to be vulnerable to frigate killers." They like all player owned ships in Eve, are open season when the chance arrives.

3. Gankers lose a ship, every time they suicide gank in Highsec. To say they are loss immune, flies in the face of that fact.

4. No Gank is guaranteed. So even if you discount the 100% risk of losing the ship, you can still lose. Either through the loot fairy not smiling down on you, or the freighter having friends help out, as well as other situations.

5. The odds of being ganked when we look at the statistics, are very low. If you take into account the places where most ganks occur, take precautions and fly with friends, the chances move into the realms of negligible.

6. People who lie and have a weak argument, tend to resort to name calling and avoid answering questions directly.

Now if anyone can refute these facts in a sensible and none abuse way, then I'm sure we will be more than happy to listen.

Waiting on this answer.




Manlove to Mag's and Baltec1!

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