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Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#21 - 2015-06-30 15:08:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Rivr Luzade
Leonardo Adami wrote:
You're what's wrong with EVE. If you don't want EVE to expand, grow, and evolve then leave. I'm not saying I agree with the original post however, I fundamentally disagree with almost your entire post and the mentality that your post exhibits is what's holding EVE back from becoming more amazing then what it is and having a larger playerbase.

Catering to the lazy, unimaginative people is doing a lot of things but certainly not making EVE "more amazing". What this OP demands and what many of CCP's recent developments indicate is catering to the lazy and unimaginative, and it going to bite your back soon enough. Twisted

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Petre en Thielles
Doomheim
#22 - 2015-06-30 15:22:47 UTC
Leonardo Adami wrote:
You're what's wrong with EVE. If you don't want EVE to expand, grow, and evolve then leave. I'm not saying I agree with the original post however, I fundamentally disagree with almost your entire post and the mentality that your post exhibits is what's holding EVE back from becoming more amazing then what it is and having a larger playerbase.



Take a breath and calm down.

I do want EVE to expand and grow. I also don't want growth simply for the sake of growth.

I would much rather have 20k people online at a time with the game in its current form than have 200k people online with EVE being WoW in space.

That was my entire point.
Svenja Timofeyeva
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2015-07-01 12:43:03 UTC
Svenja will create alt, seek out honourable 1vs1 duellants and alpha both off field. Then demamd both leave system, pay money or keep dieing. Weak minds need fair fights, because of fear of strong minds removing them from genepool. Your suggestion only brings weak minded people who add nothing to game but tears about unfairness. Fairness is made up idea by weak who can not fight to save life.
Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#24 - 2015-07-01 23:11:40 UTC
Petre en Thielles wrote:



I do want EVE to expand and grow. I also don't want growth simply for the sake of growth.

I would much rather have 20k people online at a time with the game in its current form than have 200k people online with EVE being WoW in space.

That was my entire point.


Gets it.

EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"

Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs
Cassius Invictus
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#25 - 2015-07-03 09:59:15 UTC
Leto Aramaus wrote:
Technically, there is already a mechanic for 1v1. You can go duel anyone, anywhere. Yes this still allows people to sort of "cheat" by the other guy's friends remote repping him, but then you can counter with your own friends.

The only way to ensure true 1v1 without interference would be to create instanced locations, or locked deadspace rooms, where only 2 pilots are allowed through the gate.

To channel my inner "F&I Naysayer"... If you want 1v1s and otherwise fair fights, it's your job to arrange this. Set up fights with people you trust, or don't. Run a giant 0.0 empire, and designate one of your sov systems as the "1v1" system where only honorable 1v1 fights are allowed, and Alliance enforcers make sure the rules are followed.

EVE is a sandbox. Content is player created, can't rely on CCP to force rules for you. FW plexes were already a suprising stretch, IMO.


Ok why the hell a duel cannot exclude any outside interference? In HS remote repping should trigger concord response, and duel should be only possible if you are outside of a fleet.
Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#26 - 2015-07-03 11:07:53 UTC
Because the whole point of eve is that you can mess with other ppls day if you want.

EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"

Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#27 - 2015-07-03 18:19:45 UTC
Cassius Invictus wrote:
Leto Aramaus wrote:
Technically, there is already a mechanic for 1v1. You can go duel anyone, anywhere. Yes this still allows people to sort of "cheat" by the other guy's friends remote repping him, but then you can counter with your own friends.

The only way to ensure true 1v1 without interference would be to create instanced locations, or locked deadspace rooms, where only 2 pilots are allowed through the gate.

To channel my inner "F&I Naysayer"... If you want 1v1s and otherwise fair fights, it's your job to arrange this. Set up fights with people you trust, or don't. Run a giant 0.0 empire, and designate one of your sov systems as the "1v1" system where only honorable 1v1 fights are allowed, and Alliance enforcers make sure the rules are followed.

EVE is a sandbox. Content is player created, can't rely on CCP to force rules for you. FW plexes were already a suprising stretch, IMO.


Ok why the hell a duel cannot exclude any outside interference? In HS remote repping should trigger concord response, and duel should be only possible if you are outside of a fleet.



If remote repping triggered CONCORD, incursions would be impossible.

And what if you want to duel a fleet? Or a fleetmate?


EVE is a sandbox, why should the sandbox be limited to suit an incredibly narrow viewpoint shared by a minority of players? Ask anyone who knows this game, if you find yourself in a fair fight, at least one of you has made a terrible mistake.
To mare
Advanced Technology
#28 - 2015-07-03 18:27:05 UTC
when you request a duel there should be an option to prevent the involved parties from receving remote rep or links boosts, that way you could truly have a real 1v1.
ofc people with right to do so and gankers wont be prevented to shoot any of the 2 or it would be exploited
Elenahina
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2015-07-03 23:54:56 UTC
Eve, much like real life, is inherently unfair. There is no eSpace bushido, no honor, and no way to force anyone to honor their word. Those who spend their time looking for fair fights will always be taken advantage of by those who do not care if the fights are fair, or so laughably one sided that even your dog facepalms at the overkill.

Maybe I'm cynical, but I pretty much assume that anyone who challenges me to a 1v1 is linked out the ass with some buddies one system over if things start to go south.

Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you. Also, iderno
Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#30 - 2015-07-04 09:15:45 UTC
To mare wrote:
when you request a duel there should be an option to prevent the involved parties from receving remote rep or links boosts, that way you could truly have a real 1v1.
ofc people with right to do so and gankers wont be prevented to shoot any of the 2 or it would be exploited


You can truly have a 1v1 on SiSi.

EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"

Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs
Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
#31 - 2015-07-04 13:06:34 UTC
Daichi Yamato wrote:
To mare wrote:
when you request a duel there should be an option to prevent the involved parties from receving remote rep or links boosts, that way you could truly have a real 1v1.
ofc people with right to do so and gankers wont be prevented to shoot any of the 2 or it would be exploited


You can truly have a 1v1 on SiSi.

Not the same thing and you know that, but I am surprised that you posted this.

Wondering how you think it would hurt the game if there was an option that made a dual a true 1 v 1 situation if both players were allowed to opt out once the 1 v 1 option was asked for by either?

I also find myself wondering why it is that the PvP crowed is always so quick to turn thumbs down on something that might increase the amount of PvP in the game?

I know a fair number of players that would PvP , or would do so more often if there was some way of restricting or eliminating the scourge of mass off grid boosts etc that have become common place in many PvP encounters so maybe an option like this is a good thing to look into.
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#32 - 2015-07-04 13:33:06 UTC
Donnachadh wrote:
Daichi Yamato wrote:
To mare wrote:
when you request a duel there should be an option to prevent the involved parties from receving remote rep or links boosts, that way you could truly have a real 1v1.
ofc people with right to do so and gankers wont be prevented to shoot any of the 2 or it would be exploited


You can truly have a 1v1 on SiSi.

Not the same thing and you know that, but I am surprised that you posted this.

Wondering how you think it would hurt the game if there was an option that made a dual a true 1 v 1 situation if both players were allowed to opt out once the 1 v 1 option was asked for by either?

I also find myself wondering why it is that the PvP crowed is always so quick to turn thumbs down on something that might increase the amount of PvP in the game?

I know a fair number of players that would PvP , or would do so more often if there was some way of restricting or eliminating the scourge of mass off grid boosts etc that have become common place in many PvP encounters so maybe an option like this is a good thing to look into.



Because an honourable 1v1 duel with no possibility of intervention from anyone else is pretty much the antithesis of EVE PVP?
Civ Kado
State War Academy
Caldari State
#33 - 2015-07-04 18:07:18 UTC
Don't encourage people to pay actual money just so they can PVP. It'll deter players from actually wanting to play the game if they think that paying for plex to be sold on market on top of the monthly fee is how you should play the game.

Quote:
A plex can be turned in for over 900M iskies. That's amazing starting capital for plenty of ships.


stopped reading right there.
Enya Sparhawk
Black Tea and Talons
#34 - 2015-07-04 20:52:20 UTC
Ace Kurosaki wrote:
Petre en Thielles wrote:


You're talking about more subscribers as if that is a good thing. EVE doesn't (and shouldn't) become huge. It has been successful for 12 years solely because it knows its player base, and isn't watering itself down to have a broad appeal. It isn't a game for everyone, and that fact keeps it going. If it went for broad appeal instead of for the niche it serves, the players who have supported it for 12 years would quit.

"If you try to please everyone, you end up pleasing no one"

If you want WoW in space, that's fine, but you're talking about creating a new game. You're not talking about what fundamentally makes EVE, EVE


I don't want EVE to be a space version of wow. But they should look at the way wow does things. Wow right now has 7 million subscribers. Eve has 300k. That's over 23 times the number of subscribers.

Imagine we had more subs. Imagine the content we could have. It would be amazing

I'm not saying dumb eve down completely. But everybody knows there are plenty of things in eve that could be simplified and streamlined.

With that being said, Eve has been working on it. The new industry button is just amazing and so is the ISIS ship button.

The sad fact is even with these fairly new features people are leaving the game.

Hahaha... Believe me, you're going to see (or then again, maybe you won't) A LOT more people leaving Eve before everything is all said and done...

And then you are going to see an entire planet wanting to play this game...

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Maireann croí éadrom i bhfad.

Bíonn súil le muir ach ní bhíonn súil le tír.

Is maith an scéalaí an aimsir.

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Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#35 - 2015-07-04 21:57:57 UTC
Is it hard to code while pvp'ing via dueling challange RR are not allowed.

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Zeera Tomb-Raider
Vega Farscape
#36 - 2015-07-05 08:49:28 UTC
Danika Princip wrote:
Donnachadh wrote:
Daichi Yamato wrote:
To mare wrote:
when you request a duel there should be an option to prevent the involved parties from receving remote rep or links boosts, that way you could truly have a real 1v1.
ofc people with right to do so and gankers wont be prevented to shoot any of the 2 or it would be exploited


You can truly have a 1v1 on SiSi.

Not the same thing and you know that, but I am surprised that you posted this.

Wondering how you think it would hurt the game if there was an option that made a dual a true 1 v 1 situation if both players were allowed to opt out once the 1 v 1 option was asked for by either?

I also find myself wondering why it is that the PvP crowed is always so quick to turn thumbs down on something that might increase the amount of PvP in the game?

I know a fair number of players that would PvP , or would do so more often if there was some way of restricting or eliminating the scourge of mass off grid boosts etc that have become common place in many PvP encounters so maybe an option like this is a good thing to look into.



Because an honourable 1v1 duel with no possibility of intervention from anyone else is pretty much the antithesis of EVE PVP?
you want it to be so ok for you others think thats a bad ide,and waye make the 1v1 agrement option at all when its working that waye thers rely no juse for it other than take down new players that havent lerned howe it works.i think its a good ide ,think more people will traye pvp then,and then they migth like it to.
Zeera Tomb-Raider
Vega Farscape
#37 - 2015-07-05 09:08:58 UTC
Danika Princip wrote:
Cassius Invictus wrote:
Leto Aramaus wrote:
Technically, there is already a mechanic for 1v1. You can go duel anyone, anywhere. Yes this still allows people to sort of "cheat" by the other guy's friends remote repping him, but then you can counter with your own friends.

The only way to ensure true 1v1 without interference would be to create instanced locations, or locked deadspace rooms, where only 2 pilots are allowed through the gate.

To channel my inner "F&I Naysayer"... If you want 1v1s and otherwise fair fights, it's your job to arrange this. Set up fights with people you trust, or don't. Run a giant 0.0 empire, and designate one of your sov systems as the "1v1" system where only honorable 1v1 fights are allowed, and Alliance enforcers make sure the rules are followed.

EVE is a sandbox. Content is player created, can't rely on CCP to force rules for you. FW plexes were already a suprising stretch, IMO.


Ok why the hell a duel cannot exclude any outside interference? In HS remote repping should trigger concord response, and duel should be only possible if you are outside of a fleet.



If remote repping triggered CONCORD, incursions would be impossible.

And what if you want to duel a fleet? Or a fleetmate?


EVE is a sandbox, why should the sandbox be limited to suit an incredibly narrow viewpoint shared by a minority of players? Ask anyone who knows this game, if you find yourself in a fair fight, at least one of you has made a terrible mistake.
your trolling rigth and your last statment on a limeted to suit an incredebly narrow viepoint shared by a minorety of players are hardly tru,,and eve is not a sandboxs newer have been and newer will be.tru the sanbox games is not exactly defined but thers to many things in this game that most will agree to shud not be in a sanbox game like plex skill training standing gain and so on,a sanbox game are a open no ruls game wher older players only advantage ower new players is knowledge of the game and thing gatered made in the game,
Zeera Tomb-Raider
Vega Farscape
#38 - 2015-07-05 09:43:51 UTC
Danika Princip wrote:
Cassius Invictus wrote:
Leto Aramaus wrote:
Technically, there is already a mechanic for 1v1. You can go duel anyone, anywhere. Yes this still allows people to sort of "cheat" by the other guy's friends remote repping him, but then you can counter with your own friends.

The only way to ensure true 1v1 without interference would be to create instanced locations, or locked deadspace rooms, where only 2 pilots are allowed through the gate.

To channel my inner "F&I Naysayer"... If you want 1v1s and otherwise fair fights, it's your job to arrange this. Set up fights with people you trust, or don't. Run a giant 0.0 empire, and designate one of your sov systems as the "1v1" system where only honorable 1v1 fights are allowed, and Alliance enforcers make sure the rules are followed.

EVE is a sandbox. Content is player created, can't rely on CCP to force rules for you. FW plexes were already a suprising stretch, IMO.


Ok why the hell a duel cannot exclude any outside interference? In HS remote repping should trigger concord response, and duel should be only possible if you are outside of a fleet.



If remote repping triggered CONCORD, incursions would be impossible.

And what if you want to duel a fleet? Or a fleetmate?


EVE is a sandbox, why should the sandbox be limited to suit an incredibly narrow viewpoint shared by a minority of players? Ask anyone who knows this game, if you find yourself in a fair fight, at least one of you has made a terrible mistake.
and if you make eve a sandbox game having 0 sec rulse ower all of eve it wil kill of eve within a year by the same people claming it is a sandbox game,thers a good reseon thers almost non sanbox games ther will alwaye be those going after new players and by doing so they kill of the income less new players will staye and after a time iven less want to tray it,and then older players start to live to doe to lack of new content sins ther is no mony to invest in it.
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#39 - 2015-07-05 10:00:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Rivr Luzade
There are more than enough unused or unusable Null sec systems available right next to High sec or Low sec that can be turned into such an arena system by players and not by CCP, in true sandbox fashion. What's missing? The will of players to do so as well as other players to let it happen. There is no need of this to happen in High sec, where existing and vital rules prevent this kind of engagement. However, in border Null sec systems this kind of system can be easily implemented by players.

By the way, spamming messages is not exactly welcome and can be considered bumping a thread, which is prohibited in this forum. Furthermore, have someone proofread your posts. The cancer treatment cost for my eyes is getting unsustainable.

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My ridicule, heavy criticism and general pale outlook about your or CCP's ideas is nothing but an encouragement to prove me wrong. Give it a try.
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#40 - 2015-07-05 11:38:28 UTC
Zeera Tomb-Raider wrote:
Danika Princip wrote:



If remote repping triggered CONCORD, incursions would be impossible.

And what if you want to duel a fleet? Or a fleetmate?


EVE is a sandbox, why should the sandbox be limited to suit an incredibly narrow viewpoint shared by a minority of players? Ask anyone who knows this game, if you find yourself in a fair fight, at least one of you has made a terrible mistake.
your trolling rigth and your last statment on a limeted to suit an incredebly narrow viepoint shared by a minorety of players are hardly tru,,and eve is not a sandboxs newer have been and newer will be.tru the sanbox games is not exactly defined but thers to many things in this game that most will agree to shud not be in a sanbox game like plex skill training standing gain and so on,a sanbox game are a open no ruls game wher older players only advantage ower new players is knowledge of the game and thing gatered made in the game,



No, I'm not trolling. I do believe you are though, so...

EVE is a sandbox MMO. That is how it has always been described. It pretty mush IS an open, no rules game where a player's only advantage is knowledge and assets. It's certainly the closest I know to one.

And I really think the minority are the people who want instanced arenas where no-one can interfere with their e-bushido 1v1 honour duels.