EVE General Discussion

That even you see the problem that CCP cant fix, nor cares to fix, that is bringing about the downward spiral is commendable. But I hardly see it as reason to just throw ones hands up and say well if its all I got then by Jove I shall do so with vigor and accelerate the stupidities. And that more and more are pouring in to kick the dead horse and "get their share" is self evident. Its a self destructive path that the masses are following.

So keep it up. Theres more of people like you and fewer of people like me. So I will be drowned out in the BS and the noise. But in this case "winning" like CODE always asserts it does is really destroying the game itself in the long term. Its like committing suicide by a thousand cuts, takes forever, makes you feel "alive" in the short term cuz of the endorphin rush each cut gives, the need for more and deeper cuts to satisfy the junkie rush.... but in the end youll bleed out and die. But if the short term rush is what you want and the only thing that the vast portion of the player base is looking for then so be it. Then again I am outvoted.

Okay for starters. I know exactly where suicide ganking was even early on in the game. I was there and dying and fighting way back when and have been here for the whole ride since. So either you cant read or you dont want to.

What is killing the game is its proliferation. Anything, no matter how "good" or intended, that grows out of proportion to other factors in game IS bad for the health of a system, in this case that system is Eve. It is quite literally a cancer that has grown like a wild fire in Eve. Nowhere in what I said did I say ganking and piracy is bad nor that it wasnt intended or even a vital, an EXTREMELY vital, part of the Eve evolutionary food chain. I can say this as someone who has been ganked and does gank. What imo the issue is is that its TOO popular. As even Carrie-Ann Moss has alluded to is the fact that its ALL you can do given the mechanics of Eve and that of high sec. When ganking is the end result of a system and therefore it is accepted and ultimately adopted by far to many of the cells of that system, us capsuleers, you will get chaos. Now most dont see the long term rammifications of such and issue. They only love their tears and the profits. They love the "winning" as CODE loves to put it. They preach rhetoric that embraces and endorses it, demean anyone else that speaks against it. Holding it up like the ultimate joy and right of the game.

And just as an economic glut or feast is bad for the game so is this method of last resort. And if you were around long enough and had enough knowledge of the workings of this game you could see that too. That it needs to be in the game is paramount, but what levels are healthy? When there is nothing but predators left because theyve killed off the prey they die too. This IS what happens. And what Ive seen happening for a lot of years.

Now you can argue, well we dont need the stupid in this game good riddance. Theyre idiots, they deserve it. And all the rest of the chorus of cheers. But the realization is still this, your sucking the life out of this game because its too much. When a limb goes gangrenous you cut if off to save the body. So spare me your arguments, Ive sat here and read through them and spent my time thinking about this game and human psychology a very long time, because people like you cant accept that just like the hard core industrialist that only sperges on their isk wallet is bad for the game as well. This is a balance thats been tipped too far in the wrong direction and needs to be brought back into balance.

CCP has tried to do this. The gankers whining about all the ganking changes show the changes, the method of last resort issue puts a final nail in its coffin. And gankers and gankees will whine irregardless of where that balance is set. But I know for a fact that when ganking is the number one, and by a far sight, way to do business in high sec for pvp that really isnt right from a game balance perspective, nor healthy for the long term game.

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Actually I do thanx. And dont worry your opinion to me is just as "valid" as yours is of me. Get over yourself.

In defense of gankers; there is little or no content elsewhere. Sure you could hunt in sov null, and maybe get a few good kills, but more or less you are either aiming to get blobbed or have everyone dock up before you are even in system, and searching is going to take the majority of your time. Low sec is a desert of stabbed frigates doing plexes or stealth bombers doing FW missions; No real antagonist content to be generated there. Could do WH stuff, but again that takes much more effort and risk, and target density really makes it boring. You can't blame antagonists for going where there is a consistent amount of big targets. Ganking, you can log in, get 2-4 bigger kills, and log off, with absolutely none of the long trips through entirely desolate regions and finding nothing. This isn't a problem with the gankers, it's a problem that content generation tools and opportunities are insufficient everywhere else. I racked up more ISK in damages per month when I ran a ganking corporation than almost any other time - that is the problem.



Yeah, hunting down catalysts using instants and tacticals is going to be so entertaining. Admittedly there are a few people who actually do know how to stop ganks, but bounty wise its sorta meh - gankers aren't going to lose things they already haven't resigned to losing to CONCORD. Even if you blow them up, its trivial for them to reship and gank again - stations have hundreds of catalysts, brutix, talos, etc in them.

Things would be VASTLY more interesting if there was no CONCORD timer and no FacPo, but at the same time, criminals could only dock in low or nullsec, promoting actual fights at choke points, instead of the current undock, instant, instant, f1, instant dock routine which puts gankers out of risk entirely.

Bounty Hunting career - Obviously you missed the part about being able to hunt down players in high security who have negative security status. It's not about collecting a Bounty on them, it's all about collecting Killmails on them and at the same time giving the suicide gankers something to worry about when they undock in High Sec. Right now they have free reign to travel around in High Sec with little to no risk whatsoever, allowing them to take their time to pick and choose targets at will. Currently they're not rushed so they can set up a gank and wait for backup if needed.

If a Bounty Hunter career was implemented, maybe that would provide a little bit of deterrent to the would be gankers. At the very least they would have to get their security status up to neutral before undocking or traveling in High Sec.


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It wouldn't deter them one bit. From the moment they undock to the moment they land on the target, you have effectively zero chance of actually killing them. If they are using an instant undock, there is no way to prevent them from leaving station. If they are actual gankers, once they hit -5 you can shoot at them all you want anyway, though the window for doing so is incredibly small. Any gankers that are good are using cloaked or neutral eyes anyway to do all the leg work and scouting anyway - they are docked up until they are ready to go.

I'm just generally confused, as anyone who knows about ganking realizes that there is nothing to actually hunt. High Sec is full of people who are -5 or less, 'reds', who can be shot at by anyone, at anytime, for any reason, and CONCORD will not help them; hunt them all you want. Yet, the overwhelming majority of catalysts flown by them are never in any danger of not reaching the target, because of the way HS mechanics work.

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You could try dueling or activating someone's kill rights I guess