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Mechoj Nomreps e
Fat Dragon Pirate Co.
Domain Research and Mining Inst.
#61 - 2015-07-03 14:33:24 UTC
I am guessing you both are Republicans?
Angelica Dreamstar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#62 - 2015-07-03 14:41:02 UTC
Hilti Enaka wrote:
Mechoj Nomreps e wrote:
Ramshack Z wrote:
Jayden Thomas wrote:
You really think this game is worth $132 for a year?


The act of subscribing is paying at least $132 a year, whether that's in cash or equivalent farming for someone else who paid cash in order to generate the PLEX you used is irrelevant.

I think the better question is why anyone who has to farm it out bothers when $132 a year is only 18.2 hours of work at the US minimum wage.



That is quite a narrow view. Lots of people in eve live in countries where the monthly income is about 300 dollars with prices for cloathing and other items on the same level as the US. They really cannot afford to pay for a subscription. So I do agree that rising plex prices will push people out of the game as their is no fun in grinding isk and as far as I am concerned a game should be fun.


Looking at active users population I think this is already taking affect. From setting a new record 2 years ago with 60k logged in at once to seeing numbers slowly decrease to 20k. 19k, 18k I have to wonder how true, how the increase in plex is driving players away from the game because they can not afford it.

The 60k record was a single, staged (!) event and has nothing to do with it. It's invalid to consider it relevant.

bingo, his pig not being a goat doesn't make the pig wrong, just him an idiot for shouting at his pig "WHY ARENT YOU A GOAT!" (Source)

-- Ralph King-Griffin, about deranged people playing EVE ONLINE
Angelica Dreamstar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#63 - 2015-07-03 14:46:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Angelica Dreamstar
Jayden Thomas wrote:
Petre en Thielles wrote:
Jayden Thomas wrote:
PLEX should only and explicitly be used for game time, and not redeemable for anything else. For those of us unable or unwilling to sub with real money, PLEX prices will slowly and surely force us out of the game.


With respect, you can't afford $11/mo?



This is one game. One. Singular. I've put in maybe 60 bucks when I first started. You really think this game is worth $132 for a year? I play most of the games I buy for multiple years. I wouldn't have paid over $132 for any of them..

Justifying it by saying "$11/month" really doesn't work lol. That's like saying "only 37 cents a day! Look how affordable that is!" Your logic only makes you feel better about spending all that money for only a single source of entertainment.

It's sad to think you could support a child in africa for less than a buck/day, and here you're justifying spending all that money to play a single game.

No one asks you to play? You don't need to grind for PLEX or pay money to play? Spend your time working and send the money to "support" children in africa instead? Do you expect everything to be free to use, just because you don't like paying for it? (while still using it)

Why do you waste time in EVE you could spend working to "help" other people?

bingo, his pig not being a goat doesn't make the pig wrong, just him an idiot for shouting at his pig "WHY ARENT YOU A GOAT!" (Source)

-- Ralph King-Griffin, about deranged people playing EVE ONLINE
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#64 - 2015-07-03 14:46:57 UTC
Mechoj Nomreps e wrote:
I am guessing you both are Republicans?


It's hard to be republican in Canada.

WTF is wrong with people only consuming product/services they can afford?
Ramshack Z
Maeda-Koru Group
#65 - 2015-07-03 15:57:00 UTC
Mechoj Nomreps e wrote:
I am guessing you both are Republicans?


I'm not aware of any political party in the first or third world that would consider a video game a human right.
MajorBean
HandelsGilde-De
Outsmarted
#66 - 2015-07-03 16:07:21 UTC
0.9 The Forge - Jita 1 928,800,000ISK < 5 minutes ago

Eve player: Great a new challenge!

Themepark crowd: Eve is dying, do i look like i know how a market works?







"plex has become so expensive"
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#67 - 2015-07-03 16:21:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Mechoj Nomreps e wrote:
I am guessing you both are Republicans?


It's hard to be republican in Canada.

WTF is wrong with people only consuming product/services they can afford?


The problem is that to some people "I want it" is the same thing as "I have a right to it and someone should provide it to me, free of charge, at least "free" to me, who cares if someone else has to pay" lol.

What really funny is that the guy's post suggests to me that he's heard the same thing (in regards to his way of thinking) in real life, thus his real life reference lol.
flakeys
Doomheim
#68 - 2015-07-03 16:31:02 UTC  |  Edited by: flakeys
Hilti Enaka wrote:
This is not a rant but an question as to why plex has become so expensive?

User numbers down?
everyone is space rich?

At what does it become financially better to plex with real money?



Depends on your wealth ingame , your wealth out of game , if you value ingame time more important then out of game workhours or the other way around etc etc .

I'd still pay my sub with plex if they where 2 B , others have switched to paying with rl money when it hit 600 M . The only one that can answer when to switch is you yourself.

For those that are complaining about ''being pushed out'', not meant to you OP , at least in eve you HAVE the option to pay with ingame money.

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Hiply Rustic
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#69 - 2015-07-03 17:25:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Hiply Rustic
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Mechoj Nomreps e wrote:
I am guessing you both are Republicans?


It's hard to be republican in Canada.

WTF is wrong with people only consuming product/services they can afford?


Actually, it's not at all hard to be a Republican in Canada. The country has many of them who call themselves Conservatives, led by a Prime Minister who makes Karl Rove proud on very nearly a daily basis.

Not all Conservatives in Canada would agree, but some would be proud to carry the name.

In answer to your question though; nothing, at all, is wrong with expecting people to be able to afford what they consume.

Ralph King-Griffin wrote: "Eve deliberately excludes the stupid and the weak willied." EvE: Only the strong-willied need apply.
Lost Greybeard
Drunken Yordles
#70 - 2015-07-03 21:20:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Lost Greybeard
The error in the Eve equivalent of currency balance is almost always leaning toward the isk source side rather than the isk sink side, the equivalent of a government issuing a lot more currency than is destroyed. Dips in subscriber numbers can exacerbate this, as a lot of the isk sinks shoot up with population density a lot less than linearly (insurance, etc) while isk generation is linear with population (e.g. missions).

Thus... inflation. It's not just PLEX that's gotten more expensive, it's more or less everything but minerals, which have their price balance intentionally manipulated by the developers and a much more finnicky demand curve.
Jayden Thomas
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#71 - 2015-07-03 23:38:44 UTC
Ramshack Z wrote:
Jayden Thomas wrote:
You really think this game is worth $132 for a year?


The act of subscribing is paying at least $132 a year, whether that's in cash or equivalent farming for someone else who paid cash in order to generate the PLEX you used is irrelevant.

I think the better question is why anyone who has to farm it out bothers when $132 a year is only 18.2 hours of work at the US minimum wage.


So.. if I understand what you're saying, as long as:

(What I pay for a game) / (Minimum Wage) <= 20

it's worth it.


Is that what you're getting at? Don't let Valve or EAGAMES know you said that.

I'm losing faith in humanity.
Jayden Thomas
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#72 - 2015-07-03 23:43:17 UTC
Webvan wrote:
Jayden Thomas wrote:
Justifying it by saying "$11/month" really doesn't work lol. That's like saying "only 37 cents a day! Look how affordable that is!" Your logic only makes you feel better about spending all that money for only a single source of entertainment.
I know it's not so popular to do so any longer, but the reasoning fits well into what some people refer of as a "budget" Blink
Especially for adults, since we may pay loans, mortgages and other bills, and dividing them up on a month by month budget plan, sometimes factoring in years or even decades, well just helps in regards to survival. Ahh if only real-life were just like a cheap f2p, eh? Though I think that was once tried and it failed.


https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/sophistry
Jayden Thomas
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#73 - 2015-07-03 23:54:18 UTC
Angelica Dreamstar wrote:
Jayden Thomas wrote:
Petre en Thielles wrote:
Jayden Thomas wrote:
PLEX should only and explicitly be used for game time, and not redeemable for anything else. For those of us unable or unwilling to sub with real money, PLEX prices will slowly and surely force us out of the game.


With respect, you can't afford $11/mo?



This is one game. One. Singular. I've put in maybe 60 bucks when I first started. You really think this game is worth $132 for a year? I play most of the games I buy for multiple years. I wouldn't have paid over $132 for any of them..

Justifying it by saying "$11/month" really doesn't work lol. That's like saying "only 37 cents a day! Look how affordable that is!" Your logic only makes you feel better about spending all that money for only a single source of entertainment.

It's sad to think you could support a child in africa for less than a buck/day, and here you're justifying spending all that money to play a single game.

No one asks you to play? You don't need to grind for PLEX or pay money to play? Spend your time working and send the money to "support" children in africa instead? Do you expect everything to be free to use, just because you don't like paying for it? (while still using it)

Why do you waste time in EVE you could spend working to "help" other people?


Did I hit a nerve? Are you another one of those pathetic people that think if EVE fits in your budget, it's ok to spend whatever you want on it?
Ivant Sumboodi
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#74 - 2015-07-04 10:01:27 UTC
You pay real money for plex when you're one of the people who only wants to log in and immediately do exactly what you want to do. And if this fits in with your disposable income.
Angelica Dreamstar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#75 - 2015-07-04 10:19:42 UTC
Jayden Thomas wrote:
Angelica Dreamstar wrote:
Jayden Thomas wrote:
Petre en Thielles wrote:
Jayden Thomas wrote:
PLEX should only and explicitly be used for game time, and not redeemable for anything else. For those of us unable or unwilling to sub with real money, PLEX prices will slowly and surely force us out of the game.


With respect, you can't afford $11/mo?



This is one game. One. Singular. I've put in maybe 60 bucks when I first started. You really think this game is worth $132 for a year? I play most of the games I buy for multiple years. I wouldn't have paid over $132 for any of them..

Justifying it by saying "$11/month" really doesn't work lol. That's like saying "only 37 cents a day! Look how affordable that is!" Your logic only makes you feel better about spending all that money for only a single source of entertainment.

It's sad to think you could support a child in africa for less than a buck/day, and here you're justifying spending all that money to play a single game.

No one asks you to play? You don't need to grind for PLEX or pay money to play? Spend your time working and send the money to "support" children in africa instead? Do you expect everything to be free to use, just because you don't like paying for it? (while still using it)

Why do you waste time in EVE you could spend working to "help" other people?


Did I hit a nerve? Are you another one of those pathetic people that think if EVE fits in your budget, it's ok to spend whatever you want on it?

No, it's me asking questions that show others how full of bullshit you are! Lol

So you don't even send money to africa? How can you find it sad people don't do that, when you don't do it yourself? That really sounds to me like you only brought it up, because you don't have anything legitimate to say. The money for the game would be better spent on saving children! You're right!

So how much do you spend each month, to save children? Lol

bingo, his pig not being a goat doesn't make the pig wrong, just him an idiot for shouting at his pig "WHY ARENT YOU A GOAT!" (Source)

-- Ralph King-Griffin, about deranged people playing EVE ONLINE
Anuri Suaraj
The Cylar Foundation
#76 - 2015-07-04 15:18:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Anuri Suaraj
Hilti Enaka wrote:
This is not a rant but an question as to why plex has become so expensive?

User numbers down?
everyone is space rich?

At what does it become financially better to plex with real money?


I'm sorry, but how is hitting one w-space or null relic site per day expensive?

If anything PLEX prices are too low.

Yeah I said it.

PLEX PRICES ARE TOO LOW!!!111

How you like them apples, you damn dirty drama queens?!
Ramshack Z
Maeda-Koru Group
#77 - 2015-07-04 15:27:50 UTC
Jayden Thomas wrote:

So.. if I understand what you're saying, as long as:

(What I pay for a game) / (Minimum Wage) <= 20

it's worth it.


"Worth," and value generally, are subjective. If the game is more expensive time or money wise, to you, then it isn't worth your time or money, but there is no objective number around which that pivot happens for all individuals. My point was simply that relative to other nominal expenses incurred by people for entertainment, the cost of subscribing an account, measured in both dollars and a baseline cash figure relative to time, is not high.
Angelica Dreamstar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#78 - 2015-07-04 15:44:50 UTC
Anuri Suaraj wrote:
Hilti Enaka wrote:
This is not a rant but an question as to why plex has become so expensive?

User numbers down?
everyone is space rich?

At what does it become financially better to plex with real money?


I'm sorry, but how is hitting one w-space or null relic site per day expensive?

If anything PLEX prices are too low.

Yeah I said it.

PLEX PRICES ARE TOO LOW!!!111

How you like them apples, you damn dirty drama queens?!

In a world in which PLEX cost two billion ISK, all the players who are only half asses anyway will leave. It'll not only be lowering the amount of subscriptions, but also lower the amount of whiners and haters who don't want to put the effort in to play this game.

If we adapt our viewpoint to this, some changes are put into a whole new light. We never considerd that maybe - just maybe - that CCP is trying to get rid of some specific types of players in favour for another type of player. Some of higher quality, beyond the ushers, station campers, hot droppers, and anyone else who seeks an easy game with power beyond what he should have in the first place.

So, basically, people who don't really care about the game, but only about themselves and their "fun".


I wouldn't mind them leaving. Lol

bingo, his pig not being a goat doesn't make the pig wrong, just him an idiot for shouting at his pig "WHY ARENT YOU A GOAT!" (Source)

-- Ralph King-Griffin, about deranged people playing EVE ONLINE
Anuri Suaraj
The Cylar Foundation
#79 - 2015-07-10 14:14:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Anuri Suaraj
Angelica Dreamstar wrote:
Anuri Suaraj wrote:
Hilti Enaka wrote:
This is not a rant but an question as to why plex has become so expensive?

User numbers down?
everyone is space rich?

At what does it become financially better to plex with real money?


I'm sorry, but how is hitting one w-space or null relic site per day expensive?

If anything PLEX prices are too low.

Yeah I said it.

PLEX PRICES ARE TOO LOW!!!111

How you like them apples, you damn dirty drama queens?!

In a world in which PLEX cost two billion ISK, all the players who are only half asses anyway will leave. It'll not only be lowering the amount of subscriptions, but also lower the amount of whiners and haters who don't want to put the effort in to play this game.

If we adapt our viewpoint to this, some changes are put into a whole new light. We never considerd that maybe - just maybe - that CCP is trying to get rid of some specific types of players in favour for another type of player. Some of higher quality, beyond the ushers, station campers, hot droppers, and anyone else who seeks an easy game with power beyond what he should have in the first place.

So, basically, people who don't really care about the game, but only about themselves and their "fun".


I wouldn't mind them leaving. Lol


I wouldn't mind either.

When I look at things objectively 2 bil would be the perfect price. Casual but resourceful players such as myself could still use PLEX here and there to suplement our accounts, but only the most dedicated players could fully PLEX their subs.