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Jordon Wallace
Doomheim
#21 - 2015-07-02 16:17:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Jordon Wallace
chmeee kzin wrote:
Jordon Wallace wrote:
Now not going to go on a rant about EVE is dieing or any of that but it's a certainty EVE will die out eventually, all games do.

I got to say as a new player I would be very excited for this to happen at some point as anyone in our shoes knows how frustrating it is being new in this Universe, not winging just stating a fact, look at the new player retention rate. So what do you all think?


It's a "certainty" ? Well... you are either from the future and here to warn us of impending doom, or maybe you have no idea what you are talking about. Outside of the Eve universe is a company called CCP who uses a entertainment medium referred to by the gaming industry as a MMO / MMOG which has one prevailing motive in order to sustain a business model. Profit!

As long as there is money to be made, there will be Eve. Those of us who have played this game long enough have heard the same refrain time and again. Yet Eve is still here! I suspect that it might outlive me. (I'm a fossil).

As far as "New Player Retention". Eve has been and will continue to be a game that harshly separates the "wheat from the chaff". The player base that has adapted over the years to numerous iterations of Eve are the "winnowing fork" that accomplishes this and ensures that we have a game worthy of continued play.

It is the new generation of players whose culture of "I want it now", "How come it's not free", or "You mean I actually have to earn that" mentality that WILL fail at this game. No iteration of Eve 2.0 or such will ever change that or make it a better game. Not once has anyone ever had to create content for me or make it "better" in Eve. If I have a complaint, It's that there are not enough hours in a day to do all the things I would like!
Yeah I'm retired and can devote time to my hobby. And yes... I earned that as well!

Exits soapbox


Not asking for instant gratification and I do not have a I want it now attitude although I get why you push that onto new people and have that stereotype. I am willing to work for things and apply brain power and time to get it as are a lot of new people. I also have a stereotype which runs counter to yours of veteran players thinking just because they went through the same thing it shouldn't change or be adapted in a way to make things better.

You got to remember that a lot of you will have started playing around the same time when EVE was still growing, the playing field was much more even and opportunities where more rich and open. It doesn't take a genius to recognize things have sort of become stagnant and change should happen, not giving new players everything on a silver-platter but making it so we have a decent start instead of weeks of grinding just to really enjoy the game.

Again I want to reiterate I am not calling for EVE to be scrapped and a new version to be made but when EVE does eventually come to a close as I said all games do it may not be a year from now or even three years but when it does it would be nice for a new version to be made on the current one we have now, as I said I love this game.
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#22 - 2015-07-02 23:23:12 UTC
Maldiro Selkurk wrote:
see recent fps utter failure as example
That was funded by outside investors, pretty much a fail example. Try WoD? But at least they had sense enough to shut it down since it would have never been any benefit to WiS as intended, nor ever a working game in itself. In that, WiS would be another example (WoD being it's dieing bastard child) but then a restructuring has taken place since WiS, an end to that nightmare, thus your 'sky is falling' post is in defect.

I'm in it for the money

Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12
Angelica Dreamstar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2015-07-03 08:28:57 UTC
I don't understand how he can think Eve will shut down and CCP can simply start another one. When Eve diee, CCP dies, Selling the IP is useless, unless someone wants to copy the efforts and start from zero. But that wouldn't happen with current day mechanics!

lol at all the new players whp quit after a week, because it's too hard for them...

bingo, his pig not being a goat doesn't make the pig wrong, just him an idiot for shouting at his pig "WHY ARENT YOU A GOAT!" (Source)

-- Ralph King-Griffin, about deranged people playing EVE ONLINE
DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#24 - 2015-07-03 17:53:02 UTC
Angelica Dreamstar wrote:
I don't understand how he can think Eve will shut down and CCP can simply start another one. When Eve diee, CCP dies, Selling the IP is useless, unless someone wants to copy the efforts and start from zero. But that wouldn't happen with current day mechanics!

lol at all the new players whp quit after a week, because it's too hard for them...



this is what happened when EA bought Westwood. They wanted the Command and Conquer ip. so they closed EnB, but because EA did not give a rats ass about earth and beyond, the released the source code and all lore matireal under the GPL. A bunch of formers players gathered all thsi data, got together and redid EnB.

The only way this would happen with eve, is if CCP was closing. It would not be a sell off of the IP it would be a 'thre is nothing we can do, so we are giving away this stuff to the players, as we close.' One of the reasons why i am not that worried about CCP going under, is if they REALLY need money, they can sell the World of Darkness IP or spin off White Wolf as its own company again. Or they could start up the publication part of white wolf to gain some income. They have alot of tools they can use, even pouring money into a world of darkness game (again) as a last ditch effort.

I think ccp as a company will be fine, and hoistly this is just theoredical anyway. Valk should provide a crap load of money for ccp, which in turn might push them into other things. My only fear is if they ignore eve completely and let it die, but i just don;t see ccp ever really doing that again.

OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!

Eve For life.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#25 - 2015-07-03 18:36:10 UTC
All good things come to an end eventually.

But the only thing that is going to kill Eve would be if there is a technological breakout of new ways to play video games that are cheap and common and Eve Online should fail to keep up with those changes.

I can hear it already "You still using Quaternion cameras? That's so old school!"


VR headsets are probably the future. But there is still much work to be done bringing the weight and cost down and the quality up. Audio will need to catch up as well to ensure that which is being looked at has proper panning (so far so good). If Eve Online becomes "that old third person view game" then I can see a day with it's just old farts from 2003 to 2020 playing it out of nostalgia.

It does not look like CCP is sleeping however. I think things will get interesting and this might be one of those games showing the way to the future.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2015-07-03 18:56:07 UTC
Look at screenshots of EvE 2003 ... would you play this game?Lol EvE is ever evolving around it's core, and if the core is not lost, it will evolve further a long time ...

I'm my own NPC alt.
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#27 - 2015-07-03 20:04:21 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
All good things come to an end eventually.

But the only thing that is going to kill Eve would be if there is a technological breakout of new ways to play video games that are cheap and common and Eve Online should fail to keep up with those changes.

Nothing really on the horizon like that. The latest and greatest next gen thing was "f2p" which was a sham. Just propagated sales hype and now a lot of miserable players that still don't know what they want.
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
I can hear it already "You still using Quaternion cameras? That's so old school!"


VR headsets are probably the future. But there is still much work to be done bringing the weight and cost down and the quality up. Audio will need to catch up as well to ensure that which is being looked at has proper panning (so far so good). If Eve Online becomes "that old third person view game" then I can see a day with it's just old farts from 2003 to 2020 playing it out of nostalgia.
meh. I remember we had VR in the 80's, never really caught on. These handheld games, looked like binoculars. Just like 3D movies that every 10 years 'fad' in and then fade back out. Now AR! AR headsets are actually something new, and I can see the potential for incredible application for it, not just games. I don't think M$ is going to capture the first gen though, not into mainstream use, but maybe second gen will do it and maybe by another company.... maybe starts with G. Could be considered first gen if M$ flops out hard though.

I'm in it for the money

Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#28 - 2015-07-04 01:26:45 UTC
Webvan wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
All good things come to an end eventually.

But the only thing that is going to kill Eve would be if there is a technological breakout of new ways to play video games that are cheap and common and Eve Online should fail to keep up with those changes.

Nothing really on the horizon like that. The latest and greatest next gen thing was "f2p" which was a sham. Just propagated sales hype and now a lot of miserable players that still don't know what they want.
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
I can hear it already "You still using Quaternion cameras? That's so old school!"


VR headsets are probably the future. But there is still much work to be done bringing the weight and cost down and the quality up. Audio will need to catch up as well to ensure that which is being looked at has proper panning (so far so good). If Eve Online becomes "that old third person view game" then I can see a day with it's just old farts from 2003 to 2020 playing it out of nostalgia.
meh. I remember we had VR in the 80's, never really caught on. These handheld games, looked like binoculars. Just like 3D movies that every 10 years 'fad' in and then fade back out. Now AR! AR headsets are actually something new, and I can see the potential for incredible application for it, not just games. I don't think M$ is going to capture the first gen though, not into mainstream use, but maybe second gen will do it and maybe by another company.... maybe starts with G. Could be considered first gen if M$ flops out hard though.




I think a "perfect storm" moment will come for it. It might be M$ or it might not. It'll be at a time when the technology can be:

- made cheaply and in good quality(everything seems like it's still prototype phase or buggy production)
- an economic upswing where more people have money to spend and are getting tired on their old consoles and PCs
- a game that is popular and fully exploits the new tech.

Once that happens, it becomes mainstream. For example WoW is credited with being the "big MMO" but anybody in the know could accurately say that it was not the new kid on the block. In the mid 1990s, AOL was credited with being the "thing" that brought internet into the home but the internet had been around roughly 15 years before that time.

We'll have to wait and see.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Snaps
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#29 - 2015-07-04 18:24:04 UTC
Jordon Wallace wrote:
Hey everyone I have been curious for sometime about the general opinions about this and wanted to get some kind of general consensus from people here. Now not going to go on a rant about EVE is dieing or any of that but it's a certainty EVE will die out eventually, all games do. So on that note when and if EVE did come to a close would you support the development of a second iteration of EVE following the same lore and being a continuation from this legacy, with a fresh slate mind you and if CCP did not want to develop this would you support another company doing so?

I believe EVE is such a unique Universe and game it would be a shame for another iteration to be passed up. With the development of Valkrie and Legion I feel with the new EVE when and if it did happen could integrate both of these into it's universe to make a more rich experience and learning from the mistakes made in this version the original one. I got to say as a new player I would be very excited for this to happen at some point as anyone in our shoes knows how frustrating it is being new in this Universe, not winging just stating a fact, look at the new player retention rate. So what do you all think?




we can always turn eve into mechcommander eve.. i like being into a mech just as much as a ship.. LolLol
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2015-07-04 19:21:17 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Yarda Black wrote:
All I read was: "EVE is dying" and "let's start over".

Both are denied in the post itself oddly, so it went all wrong somewhere for me. Which also means I probably don't want another server. I mean... eh... what?

Actually it's" if eve was already dead and ccp had another go at it" but the difference is irrelevant , she's still kicking.
A mortally wounded animal always bellows and thrashes around (Death Throes) before it dies.

Just saying .........

Roll



DMC

'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
Leeluvv
United Caldari Navy
United Caldari Space Command.
#31 - 2015-07-04 20:59:04 UTC
Jordon Wallace wrote:


- CCP has the rights to EVE therefore they could in time make a new EVE if they wanted to or sell those rights


If you sell the rights and you recreate an identical or similar product, the company you just sold the rights to will sue you.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#32 - 2015-07-04 21:03:58 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Yarda Black wrote:
All I read was: "EVE is dying" and "let's start over".

Both are denied in the post itself oddly, so it went all wrong somewhere for me. Which also means I probably don't want another server. I mean... eh... what?

Actually it's" if eve was already dead and ccp had another go at it" but the difference is irrelevant , she's still kicking.
A mortally wounded animal always bellows and thrashes around (Death Throes) before it dies.

Just saying .........

Roll



DMC

Except when they don't.

Many an animal will seek quiet peace and solitude, just as any one of us would.

This is a stupid metaphor.

Murderers of Negotiable Motivations

=]|[=
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2015-07-05 07:21:36 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Yarda Black wrote:
All I read was: "EVE is dying" and "let's start over".

Both are denied in the post itself oddly, so it went all wrong somewhere for me. Which also means I probably don't want another server. I mean... eh... what?

Actually it's" if eve was already dead and ccp had another go at it" but the difference is irrelevant , she's still kicking.
A mortally wounded animal always bellows and thrashes around (Death Throes) before it dies.

Just saying .........

Roll



DMC

Except when they don't.

Many an animal will seek quiet peace and solitude, just as any one of us would.

This is a stupid metaphor.

Heh, the only reason you say it's stupid is because you don't like it.

By the way, most entities (animal and human) go through Death Throes. I'm talking about the final actions a body performs just before death.


DMC

'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
Xavier Holtzman
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#34 - 2015-07-05 13:14:58 UTC
Jordon Wallace wrote:
Now not going to go on a rant about EVE is dieing or any of that

Cool. Thanks.

Jordon Wallace wrote:
but it's a certainty EVE will die out eventually

Roll

Jordon Wallace wrote:
I got to say as a new player I would be very excited for this to happen at some point as anyone in our shoes knows how frustrating it is being new in this Universe

So, you're a "new" player and you're already looking for EVE PART II? My suggestion would be to play the current game, and stop worrying about its future.

I do not like the men on this spaceship. They are uncouth and fail to appreciate my better qualities. I have something of value to contribute to this mission if only they would realize it. - Bill Frug
Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
#35 - 2015-07-05 15:32:23 UTC
Eve is dying?

@lunettelulu7
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