Player Features and Ideas Discussion

6 lows is useful. We need mids. Cutting up lows for mids just make it good at nothing (see rupture). It needs a mid and for minny flavor and utility, that utility high slot. Cutting off a turret and ramping up the damage bonus is maybe the better way to balance. Increasimg base armor HP would also not be a bad idea. Minny need a good armor brawler, the muninn is almost there, just needs that 4th mid.

Utility high is very important. Its not for missiles, but for neut or nos. Muninn cap is also quite strong, with a nos it can be cap stable with a rep and still fit a 1600 plate with acs. Doesnt need the cap booster at that point. With its strong cap, a neut is just as effective at turning off tank/guns.

Muninn can also fit a dual rep fit like a deimos that can tank 900dps until the AAR runs out. Or about 550dps with 2 t2 MARs. Neut, plus good cap, plus 515-570dps into deimos explo/EM hole, could hurt a deimos with a good pilot. Its the lack of mids that prevent it from being good.

All this would, of course, go hand in hand with a quick balance pass on medium projectiles, to nerf accordingly :P

Pshaw drone boat. It would make more sense, really, to turn the Munnin into a missile boat so it can suck just like the Cyclone.

eg;

5 Highslots / 5 missile hardpoints
4 Midslots
6 lows


Traits
HAC Bonuses per skill level
10% bonus to explosive missile damage
10% bonus to ASB reload time (or 7.5% TP buff, 10% webrange, whatever)

Minmatar cruiser bonuses (per skill level)
5% bonus to HML, HAM and RLML rate of fire
5% bonus to missile explosion velocity

Role Bonus
50% reduction in MWD signature radius penalty


5 HAMs with the above bonuses =
Non-explosive = 263 DPS before BCU's / 435 w/ 3 x BCU's
Nova Rage = 394 DPS before BCU's / 652 w/ 3 BCU's.

5 HML's (including 5% buff upcoming)
Non-explosive = 198 DPS before BCU's / 328 w/ 3 x BCU's
Nova Fury = 297 DPS before BCU's / 492 w/ 3 x BCU's

So you have somewhat of a limited choice to get to 750 DPS, namely shield tank with Nova Rage, which has it's own drawbacks. However, this would be a fairly mean anti-tackle ship with the explosion velocity bonus. 492 DPS to 62km with Nova Fury HML's is fine and competitive with Cerbs, which maintain their range bonus, the difference here being better damage application and ability to really punch Amarr donuts.

I wouldn't know what you can put in the second HAC bonus slot. TP buffs and web range buffs are more Recon buffs, but the Vaga has a shield booster bonus already, whatever use that is. Hence the ASB reload time of 50%, might be an interesting fillip for the Munnin as a brawler.

Nope, bad idea. Drone boats and Minmatar don't blend well together. Turning it into a missile boat is also a bad idea, cause of Sacrilege (brawler), and Cerberus (sniper). A cap stable dual MAR arty sniper is very appealing to me. And since it's suppose to be a sniper, I would rather see it lose the utility high for a mid slot and increase it's pwd/cpu to be able to fit 5x 720's without the need for fitting mods/rigs. Or a free mid slot would also work (wouldn't make it OP or anything).

The Sacrilege could also use another low slot.

AND another mid for the Vaga.......

Okay, getting back here since actually flying the damn ship a little, I'd honestly say to make the thing a bit faster and almost somewhat like a nomen, I mean with max skills you can get
[Muninn, PvP]
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Damage Control II
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Armor Explosive Hardener II
800mm Steel Plates II

50MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
Optical Tracking Computer I, Optimal Range Script
Optical Tracking Computer I, Optimal Range Script

720mm 'Scout' Artillery I, EMP M
720mm 'Scout' Artillery I, EMP M
720mm 'Scout' Artillery I, EMP M
720mm 'Scout' Artillery I, EMP M
720mm 'Scout' Artillery I, EMP M
[empty high slot]

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I

yes, I know you really need that 1600

That's why I said they appeal to ME, cause I like rep/boost power. Unless the Munnin pilot have an independent tackler, it will not be able to control engagement range and will get caught by anything in it's class and below, which is why I would definitely fit some good tank on it.

i have to admit that the munin is as useful as swimming fins on a cat

Monthly bump

How would you feel about dropping 1 turret and increasing the damage bonus to compensate? 5% -> 10% per level? It would only drop the alpha by about 100, so mostly unchanged.

5 Turret Muninn alpha (5% dmg) = 2610
4 Turret Muninn alpha (10% dmg) = 2505

Now we get the much needed mid, fitting becomes significantly easier and still keep the utility high to help keep it flexible in fitting.

This opens up the potential for a dual armor rep brawler that has a neut/nos to potentially counter other brawlers more effectively. I've tinkered with dual rep muninn's, and they're not bad, they just really need a 4th mid so i can go MWD, scram, web, CB. As currently its pretty much mandatory to fit ab, scram, CB to have some semblance of range control.

I guess thats a concept one can work with, although I would much rather like to see a redesign away fro the armor concept where the Loki will always outcompete it.