Intergalactic Summit

It is reasonably clear at this point that the Drifters are capable of massive destruction. They have represented a significant threat to capsuleer forces across the cluster. One faction standing alone is orders of magnitude weaker than a universal force; what happens when the Amarr are wiped from New Eden? They will come for you next. Splintering our strength only expedites our defeat.

If we do not prioritize knowledge and examination; if we do not gain information; if we do not ascertain the purpose, intent, and capabilities of this new enemy...

The Amarr may not have anything to "reclaim".

Superficial understanding of both our faith, and history.

The faith does not require all to be slaves. It requires all to be stripped to their foundations, that without their own baggage or idols, they could be prepared and equipped to enter into communion with God.

The history, has show many times over, of individuals, groups, and entire ethnic groups that either had embraced the message of faith by their own volition (thus forgoing slavery), or were proven quickly to ascend the levels of faithfulness that their society experienced quick release from penitence.

Rapists, murderers, men of evil conscious need our help to be made clean. And majority else are already enslaved to themselves and need our help to be free from the yolk and chain which bind them away from the Divine.

Whether you submit yourself to God of your own will and conscious, or whether you need "assistance" to be lead on the path of light is up to you.

This thread is not for a back and forth discussion on slavery.

And break the habit of a lifetime?

Actually I've noticed the Amarr representatives here have some really bad habits. I have the numbers of several good tailors should they choose to go a little more...sartorial.

Fair warning, this will be lengthy.




Respectfully,

Of all the governments in the cluster, the Amarr have the fewest instances of breaching treaties and breaking their word. A fact I am somewhat irritated to have to admit, but it's a fact none-the-less.

Now let us take your argument and review it candidly. You admit, as well as I, that the Drifters demand our attention and cooperation. Where we disagree is the future.

Let us assume, worst case scenario, the Amarr restart their Reclaiming (despite a consistent shift away from conventional military Reclaiming in their recent history), more conservative, traditional elements of the Empire come into power and the traditional imperialistic conquest of the Empire and Reclaiming resume. Now, first, this is hardly something the Empire has been shy about, it has consistently been open about its intent regarding the cluster. Second, and this is more important, it's our responsibility to remain strong enough that we cannot be conquered not the Empire's responsibility to be considerate of our resistance.

Considering that, dedicating our resources and policies toward defending against the Drifters would, by extension, increase our military strength and alertness which further makes us harder to conquer, not just for the Drifters but for the Empire as well.

Let us continue the logical course of worst case scenario further, however. Let us assume we don't assist the Empire and the Drifters conquer them (scenario A). It is unlikely they will stop there, so next they set their sights upon us. We ask for assistance because if they could defeat the Empire, there's a high probably they can defeat us. The Empire no longer exists, so it can't lend aid. The Caldari, because of their honorable nature, spent much of their resources assisting the Empire in defense and are in a weakened position to try and assist us. Our lack of desire to assist the Empire and the Caldari does us no credit in the eyes of the Caldari but let's assume they walk the high road and do what they can to assist us. We'll fare no better than the Empire did under those odds.

Scenario B, the Empire defeats the Drifters without our aid. Because of its conflict, its military may be weakened but it's production engine will be at full grind and with the numbers available to the Empire to restaff (slaves, volunteers, population), it could very quickly replenish its might. So unless you choose to strike right after the Empire has defeated the Drifters (which is the most unethical, opportunistic, hypocritical course of action available to you), the only thing you've accomplished is proving to the cluster that your concern for your fellow man only extends as far as it doesn't inconvenience you or weaken you.

From my personal standpoint, I look at the character of the situation as well. How can we, who claim to value liberty, freedom and human dignity, stand idly by while others suffer when we can do something about it? How could we dare to call ourselves "noble" or "moral" in light of our inaction during their time of need? We justify it because of what we presume they will do in the future? We're just and moral because we sit on our hands for concern of self rather than let our actions in service to our fellow man be accredited to us?

I, for one, will not stand idly by and do nothing for fear of the future. I will do what integrity and morality demand of me to do, which is stand beside my fellow man against this threat. Come what may, I'll not forsake them anymore than I would you.

You both missed my point of preparing while the amarr are being attacked. So that when they finish with them, we can deal with it with our allies and the other factions. I am not saying that they wont attack us, i know they will.

As for Liam's points i can only concede. (Damn you Liam!) But I will make this point. While we may hold to such lofty goals, The Amarr should reconsider their stance on flaunting their superiority around the cluster while asking for assistance. Also should reconsider turning people away who are part of groups who they don't like. When you are under threat of empire ending entities, it's suggest you be less picky about who can stand by your side. I also hope that we never let them forget how foolish they have been and are being if we have any hope at beating the drifters.

We feel we must comment on the abject failure of fashion in New Eden that would force all three of the most recent posters to be wearing the exact same pumpkin-colored jacket.

Isn't this a bit of extrapolating... ?

The drifters will not just stop at weakening them though, They will steamroll the entire amarrian empire if given a chance and will continue on to destroy the rest, Without the combined power of ALL of the empires we cannot stop this threat.

Ladies and gentlemen, allow me to assure you of one thing - if we sit around arguing over the correct course of action, the Drifters will most certainly achieve their goals. People want to sit around speculating over whether or not the Drifters want to destroy the Amarr Empire, and if they do, whether they'll stop there. I don't care whether or not they want to destroy the Amarr Empire - the fact that they are amassing a huge armada and launching attacks on capsuleer gatherings is enough to convince me their intentions aren't benevolent.

If you don't want to help the Amarr Empire, I understand that - I even respect it. I am not in this to help the Amarr Empire - in fact, if we can put an end to the Drifter threat while actively helping the Amarr Empire the least possible amount, I'll be pretty happy about it and I'm not going to pretend otherwise. If you aren't willing to help them at all, that's your perogative. Just don't get in the way of people who are.