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When will the BCs & BSs get rebalanced?

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Lilith Folkvardr
Doomheim
#61 - 2015-07-03 00:40:48 UTC
Umm.. Are you that daft?

Nobody is forcing you to use a Battleship.. If you use one you are accepting it's strengths and weaknesses, same with any class of ship in EVE, they all have strengths and weaknesses, same in real life, you don't by a ute and expect it to carry a semi trailer worth of ****, or buy a Corolla and expect it to be a Ferrari in a straight race, stop being stupid.

Cap lasts a few minutes? News for me, maybe you shouldn't perma-run 2 repair modules that in RL terms suck up more power then a city, while firing Cap requirement guns and running Cap requiring Hardeners without Cap Boosters, like, say, every other ship in the entire game, fit a Vamp or some Boosters, shut up and quit complain, for the second time.

Velocity? Have you ever seen a RL tank or Battleship? Hell, even a bloody shuttle launch? Do you see those things out performing and manouvering Jeeps and Bikes? Frigates and Attack boats? Jet planes? No, hmm.. That might have something do to with home big they are, you also have ways to avoid this if you used your head rather then complaining, don't want Frigates getting under those massive guns? MJD out before they get in Scram range, and rinse and repeat, or use your Drones, hell, use Missiles, lots of ways would appear to you rather then complain and waiting a Battleship to be able to hit a Stiletto while it's moving at 7 km/s overtime while tanking a fleet, while running cap stable.. Bloody hell..

Maruaders don't need anything, thy solo fleets and gates all the time, your just a bad pilot if you can't, BS hulls takes millions of SP to use effectively, and that isn't even considering the amount of actual skill you need to pilot them, what a few solo Battleship videos on YouTube by my inspirations - Otto Von Bismarck, and Mr Hyde.

OPness of Neuts on Marauders.. You mean the one way for another ship to break it's tank.. Yeah.. Totally.. While you are at it, Rifters need to be able to be immune to Webs and should project damage from 20km away with Autocannons, oh, and those awesome Capitals should be made 100% Cap resistant to Neuts.. Do you actually play EVE? Fit a bloody Battery if that is a concern, run single or twin Cap Boosters like most Marauder PvP pilots do. I have never seen a Maraurder fit for PvP die due to being Cap'd out.

They are immune to ECM when in Bastion and over EWAR because they transfer all their power and abilities from engines (You know, those things that move a sever million tone ship) to there sensors and weapons.. Why should that make them give off less of a single? If anything they should be 100% easy to probe down, it is literally lighting up a beacon..
Lilith Folkvardr
Doomheim
#62 - 2015-07-03 01:01:08 UTC
Nyveris NeVonte wrote:
Lilith Folkvardr wrote:
I never understood the argument on Battleship Warp Speed.. It is a massive ship, why should it Warp anywhere near the speed of a ship it is at least 2x the size of.. You don't get on a Cruise ship in RL and then complain it isn't out pacing a Speedboat, the Warp Speed is fine, especially when you consider you have double the tank of any over Sub-cap, higher DPS, and hence more survivability, if you think Warping that slow is boring, then shut up, sacrifice some tank and use some modules that improve that aspect of the ship, I have seen a few "Drive By" configurations that can warp at 5 AU/s+, I never understood why people complain about that, also, as someone already said, get a Mach, as much as I hate them, they will fix your argument, because this argument is pointless, example:

You think Battleships should be buffed so they Warp faster. Well, person B things that Frigates need a massive EHP buff, roughly double, and person 3 thinks Cruiser hulls should be able to solo a BS so he wants DPS and speed buffs.

See how stupid your argument seems, Battleships are fine, and if you want faster, your can make it with 1 or 2 module and Rig sacrifices, same as if you want a Frigate to do more DPS you sacrifice tank for it, and if you want a Cruiser to be faster you sacrifice DPS for it.

I even have a speed based Battleship I used to use back before I quit for the first time that could Warp at 4 AU/s and align in 6.51s, it was made to roughshod and confuse a force, and for High Sec War Dec's, **** like that, thing still have 70k EHP and over 900 DPS with Torps, another 300+ from the Drones, this is EVE guys, we have the tools, modules, and Rigs to make any ship capable of something, use your imagination, rather then complaining and asking when buffs and nerfs will come, just play the game and make it work for you, rather then demanding someone else fix it for you.


You're looking for Hoorays from this post, aren't cha dear. The preachy types just loves to post flashy comments to get that all important "applause" from the masses. You only pointed out warp speeds, which by the looks of it, you've mastered with your riggy and nano fits. But so what, that's just you dear. I for one would rather use those rigs for something more useful like CAP, and lows for tank & spank.

Also BSs are in a dire need for more than just warp speed increase, they need more cap recharge/capacitor, agility and turrets could use a variation of the RHML.


That fit is Cap Stable while running 2 Reps.. And it's Long point and Web and other mids.. Drops to 3 minutes if running a large Neut.. So your argument is back to being invalid.. But please continue, it is fun watching people make a fool of themselves here, reason why I started posting on the forums to be honest, haha!

They have a great recharge rate, just cause they aren't Cap Stable (Nothing built for PvP should be with the exception of Cap Boosters, but that is only Cap Stable till it has to reload), doesn't mean they aren't amazing, turn off a Repper till you need it, or don't perma-run a Smart Bomb, I have never had Cap Issues with any BS bar the Apoc, and that was fixable, and easy to counter by simply turning of the Long Point till I saw the enemy aligning..

And no they couldn't.. Cause they have Blasters and Autocannons, they are the same thing, hit your target with twin Webs, oh look, thats applicable damage, fancy that, and, might I add, a Battleship isn't suppose to fight below it's size, it is meant to counter other Battleship, only good pilots can use them to amazing effect against smaller ships, and no, I am not amazing, Otto Von Bismarck is for instance, watch his videos, tell me how often he goes Cap Dry? Or how ofter a smaller ship gets him, ect.

But yeah sure, CCP should add a 5+ AU/s, 1500 DPS with 1.5 Tracking Speed, With 8 Highs, Meds, and Lows, with 8 Rigs too, oh and a base speed of 500 m/s and can use Fighters as well as Drones, oh, and they of course need to have a tank to at least much a Marauder, cause your a special snowflake.. Do you honestly not see how stupid people sound when they complain about Battleship speeds and how they work? If you take one look at YouTube, or even that 25 page post just below this, there are heaps of people who accel in Battleship PvP, in Solo environments against a lot of other ships, and they win, and why? Because they know how to fit, they know how to pilot, they have the SP and they have the know how, takes years to get to that level, and unless you have focused trained into them since 2004 like some of my favourites.

Look at your fits, sacrifice tank for speed, speed of DPS, you can't have a perfect ship, that can do everything, that would be very WoW like.. Maybe you should switch to WoW? I think you would be more at home there, I hear good things about Paladins..

Seriously though, open EFT, and sit there and play with the fits, I spent the better half of 2 weeks tweaking and running tests on my Typhoon, and I got it to a good level, no where near Otto or Mr Hyde can, but give it a try, hell, if it is fitting you are struggling with, message me, I help my friends with fits all the time, I love working on them, and I will show you what you can do, also, that isn't a stab, but some people see different solutions in fits that others don't even notice, Battleships are good, but you have to be used to them, and you have to be a good pilot with them.
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#63 - 2015-07-03 01:27:31 UTC
Nyveris NeVonte wrote:
pushdogg wrote:


P.S. ccp has given us plenty of options to make them warp faster.....can we just stop complaining about this?


No! Why should anyone have to waste rig slots just to get from point A to B without having falling asleep just to travel 5-10 jumps

hmmm... doesn't matter to me. If they slowed all warp travel by 30% across the board, it still would generally be faster travel than in most mmo's 15-20yrs ago. Getting from one end of the full game map to the other could take all day. ah good times.

For faster travel here, it all just depends on the build. Some BS builds are built to be quick and carry weapons to blap cruisers, quite effectively. For others, it's all about the tank which may sacrifice that speed. So, some would and some wouldn't. The choices and sacrifice balances the game, makes it all more interesting.

I'm in it for the money

Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12
Nyveris NeVonte
Doomheim
#64 - 2015-07-03 02:17:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Nyveris NeVonte
Lilith Folkvardr wrote:




Seriously though, open EFT, and sit there and play with the fits, I spent the better half of 2 weeks tweaking and running tests on my Typhoon, and I got it to a good level, no where near Otto or Mr Hyde can, but give it a try, hell, if it is fitting you are struggling with, message me, I help my friends with fits all the time, I love working on them, and I will show you what you can do, also, that isn't a stab, but some people see different solutions in fits that others don't even notice, Battleships are good, but you have to be used to them, and you have to be a good pilot with them.


Hmm, you must be an editor in RL, it just seem all your posts are well documented like a newsletter. Anyways dear look here, before you post anything else please go back and take a look at all the other posts here and then go back and read yours.

After you woke up, did you notice a difference?

Every other post in this thread besides yours was short and to the point, constructive without being provocative, and non-egotistical. I noticed this after only wasting my time to read a paragraph of your spoutin.

The reason I made this thread was to see if anyone heard of news regarding whether or not the BCs & BSs were getting a buff or not to help me decide if they were worth anymore training into. I got the answer from elitatwo (you can learn a lot from her) that It would be in September. I then made the decision to go ahead and train for the Paladin since I'll be able to fly it by then. As far as I'm concern, that ended the thread. But there were still more constructive post in the thread so I continued responding, then you came along and ruined it.

In short, I've already plugged my skill queue for the Paladin, so unless you can fly it (I doubt you can), you have no further reason to post in this thread, so take your preachy comments elsewhere dear.
Lilith Folkvardr
Doomheim
#65 - 2015-07-03 02:38:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Lilith Folkvardr
Not an editor.. Military actually..

And also, since you seem inclined to make more of a fool of yourself, I quote this:

Quote:
The reason I made this thread was to see if anyone heard of news regarding whether or not the BCs & BSs were getting a buff or not to help me decide if they were worth anymore training into. I got the answer from elitatwo (you can learn a lot from her) that It would be in September. I then made the decision to go ahead and train for the Paladin since I'll be able to fly it by then. As far as I'm concern, that ended the thread. But there were still more constructive post in the thread so I continued responding, then you came along and ruined it.


And then I quote this from your OP:

Quote:
I for one noticed a decrepit ability in the BSs cap recharge rate which is practically non-existent even with multiple cap mods & rigs on the things. (Abbadon, Navy Apol, Hyperion)

Warp speeds are horrendously slow and can put you to sleep if having to travel 10+jumps. (All)

Not enough pwg or cpu to fit the best weapon system to make full use of the ships capabilities (Maelstrom).

These are just the tip of the iceberg as I'm sure there are tons more defects these ships are plaque with since I hardly see them around anymore (mostly all you see now are Faction BS & Marauders).

In a nutshell I'm try to decide if it's worth it for me to continue training into them or should I ignore these helpless relics of the past and train into Marauders.


Now, dear, since you want to be a bit of a daft lass, I will define point out to you that my first post, on page 3 if you get lost, was about why I don't under stand the argument of Warp Speed, and the other key things you complained about in your OP, you are asking when these buffs and things are coming, because you want to know if it is good to train for ship A, rather then ship B, to which i said, shut up, and do it your own way, make the game work for you, and not wait for others to make it better and fix it for you, BS are in a good place, lots of people can prove it to you, they need no buff to be usable, also, in this post:

Quote:
No! Why should anyone have to waste rig slots just to get from point A to B without having falling asleep just to travel 5-10 jumps.

Why do cap only last a couple minutes on the Hyperion, Navy Apol, and Abaddon with only using the guns.

Velocity is one thing, but these ships should at least have decent agility to be able to turn and keep tiny insects from easily getting under the guns.

A little off topic, but Marauders could use a little spice up too.

Something needs to be done about the OPness of nuets used against Marauders, like a -50% resistance to enemy Neutralization/Vampire effects while in bastion mode.

That or a 100% sensor strength boost while in bastion mode, to keep the ship from been probed down easily when stuck in bastion.


You made it clear that your want buffs where they are not needed and wanted a mega space ship to pew pew pixels with rather then using your head, and some intelligence to make a ship work for you, you want it on a silver plater. My first reply was to answer you complaints on your OP, I went off of that when you decided to bring up what they need to do, or at least, what you think they should do, which is honestly just stupid, but very well, I will leave it here, one thing though..

Paladins, while great, are a a bit overkill in a C4, and you may want to sacrifice some tank and Cap Stability for some PvP items, as you won't fair well in a Wormhole if someone decides they want it on their zKill, and stay away from Wolf Rayets and Mag's, you will die to a 5 man Rifter gang, or a solo Stealth Bomber.. Other Wormholes you should be fine in, I am not going to judge your PvP skills as you could be a pro AF pilot, i don't know, zKillboard is blocked on this network, so can't check that, but I am going to assume you know how to PvP quiet well, and with that, run, all the time if you are in a Marauder not fit for PvP, cause everyone will go for it, one of my old accounts used to just go threw Wormholes and look for Marauder pilots, I have faced a Paladin PvP fit before.. Was a long battle, my Bhaal got messed up and I had to withdraw, he had at least 2 Cap Boosters and I couldn't Neut him out long enough, I did only have to Vamps though (PvP fit) so that was an oversight.

Oh, and yes, one of my Alt's could fly a Paladin before I sold it, fun ship, not so good for my play style, I preferred the Typhoon T1 BS, much faster, better DPS, and a Decent active tank/buffer tank, but don't assume someone doesn't know more then you cause there character is this young, this is just my main now, I sold the others, been biomassed or let them lapse, wanted a fresh start :)

And FYI, you were being provocative, egotistical and non-contructive with your replies, so yeah.. Don't point something out if you are going to be a hypocrite about the same stuff in return..

Good luck with you Paladin, it is one of the nicer T2 BS's.. I just like the gold! :D
Nyveris NeVonte
Doomheim
#66 - 2015-07-03 03:17:43 UTC
Lilith Folkvardr wrote:
Not an editor.. Military actually..

And also, since you seem inclined to make more of a fool of yourself, I quote this:

Quote:
The reason I made this thread was to see if anyone heard of news regarding whether or not the BCs & BSs were getting a buff or not to help me decide if they were worth anymore training into. I got the answer from elitatwo (you can learn a lot from her) that It would be in September. I then made the decision to go ahead and train for the Paladin since I'll be able to fly it by then. As far as I'm concern, that ended the thread. But there were still more constructive post in the thread so I continued responding, then you came along and ruined it.


And then I quote this from your OP:

Quote:
I for one noticed a decrepit ability in the BSs cap recharge rate which is practically non-existent even with multiple cap mods & rigs on the things. (Abbadon, Navy Apol, Hyperion)

Warp speeds are horrendously slow and can put you to sleep if having to travel 10+jumps. (All)

Not enough pwg or cpu to fit the best weapon system to make full use of the ships capabilities (Maelstrom).

These are just the tip of the iceberg as I'm sure there are tons more defects these ships are plaque with since I hardly see them around anymore (mostly all you see now are Faction BS & Marauders).

In a nutshell I'm try to decide if it's worth it for me to continue training into them or should I ignore these helpless relics of the past and train into Marauders.


Now, dear, since you want to be a bit of a daft lass, I will define point out to you that my first post, on page 3 if you get lost, was about why I don't under stand the argument of Warp Speed, and the other key things you complained about in your OP, you are asking when these buffs and things are coming, because you want to know if it is good to train for ship A, rather then ship B, to which i said, shut up, and do it your own way, make the game work for you, and not wait for others to make it better and fix it for you, BS are in a good place, lots of people can prove it to you, they need no buff to be usable, also, in this post:

Quote:
No! Why should anyone have to waste rig slots just to get from point A to B without having falling asleep just to travel 5-10 jumps.

Why do cap only last a couple minutes on the Hyperion, Navy Apol, and Abaddon with only using the guns.

Velocity is one thing, but these ships should at least have decent agility to be able to turn and keep tiny insects from easily getting under the guns.

A little off topic, but Marauders could use a little spice up too.

Something needs to be done about the OPness of nuets used against Marauders, like a -50% resistance to enemy Neutralization/Vampire effects while in bastion mode.

That or a 100% sensor strength boost while in bastion mode, to keep the ship from been probed down easily when stuck in bastion.


You made it clear that your want buffs where they are not needed and wanted a mega space ship to pew pew pixels with rather then using your head, and some intelligence to make a ship work for you, you want it on a silver plater. My first reply was to answer you complaints on your OP, I went off of that when you decided to bring up what they need to do, or at least, what you think they should do, which is honestly just stupid, but very well, I will leave it here, one thing though..

Paladins, while great, are a a bit overkill in a C4, and you may want to sacrifice some tank and Cap Stability for some PvP items, as you won't fair well in a Wormhole if someone decides they want it on their zKill, and stay away from Wolf Rayets and Mag's, you will die to a 5 man Rifter gang, or a solo Stealth Bomber.. Other Wormholes you should be fine in, I am not going to judge your PvP skills as you could be a pro AF pilot, i don't know, zKillboard is blocked on this network, so can't check that, but I am going to assume you know how to PvP quiet well, and with that, run, all the time if you are in a Marauder not fit for PvP, cause everyone will go for it, one of my old accounts used to just go threw Wormholes and look for Marauder pilots, I have faced a Paladin PvP fit before.. Was a long battle, my Bhaal got messed up and I had to withdraw, he had at least 2 Cap Boosters and I couldn't Neut him out long enough, I did only have to Vamps though (PvP fit) so that was an oversight.

Oh, and yes, one of my Alt's could fly a Paladin before I sold it, fun ship, not so good for my play style, I preferred the Typhoon T1 BS, much faster, better DPS, and a Decent active tank/buffer tank, but don't assume someone doesn't know more then you cause there character is this young, this is just my main now, I sold the others, been biomassed or let them lapse, wanted a fresh start :)

And FYI, you were being provocative, egotistical and non-contructive with your replies, so yeah.. Don't point something out if you are going to be a hypocrite about the same stuff in return..

Good luck with you Paladin, it is one of the nicer T2 BS's.. I just like the gold! :D


Ohh, not bad, You finally posted something worth reading. And pointing the finger at the other person is a good tactic for self-deception. IF I really was the one being provocative and such, it was towards the ships and game design, NOT towards an individual.
Lilith Folkvardr
Doomheim
#67 - 2015-07-03 03:20:18 UTC
Well said good madam, anyways, I have said my bit, thanks for mistaking me for an editor, both an insult and a compliment :P

Fly safe!
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#68 - 2015-07-03 04:48:58 UTC
This thread sucks.

Oh god.
Nyveris NeVonte
Doomheim
#69 - 2015-07-03 05:00:28 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
This thread sucks.


I check this thread occasionally in case one of the cooler people in eve posts something constructive. Sigh, but alas it appears another troll has arrived. Unless you have anything constructive to say, why bother wasting your time posting in this thread??Oops
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#70 - 2015-07-03 05:02:12 UTC
I have something constructive to say. Shut the **** up.

Oh god.
Nyveris NeVonte
Doomheim
#71 - 2015-07-03 05:04:25 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
I have something constructive to say. Shut the **** up.


Reported!!
Valkin Mordirc
#72 - 2015-07-03 05:05:42 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
I have something constructive to say. Shut the **** up.



As someone who has posted and defended BS'es in other "Battleships are badm'kay" threads


I support this message.
#DeleteTheWeak
Nyveris NeVonte
Doomheim
#73 - 2015-07-03 05:09:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Nyveris NeVonte
Valkin Mordirc wrote:
Riot Girl wrote:
I have something constructive to say. Shut the **** up.



As someone who has posted and defended BS'es in other "Battleships are badm'kay" threads


I support this message.


Whateva, this thread is over anyways. Trying to get the Devs to close it down else the troll virus is gonna continue spreading. But most likely, the first troll is also the 2nd and 3rd.

Also reported
Lilith Folkvardr
Doomheim
#74 - 2015-07-03 05:48:05 UTC
Actually, just got a notification about this thread again and it jolted something, your Paladin fit, have you decided to go Active Tank with Hardners, or are you going Buffer with Active Tank? I ask cause I am at a loss between the massive EHP difference/Cap Stability, and the better Cap/Less EHP.. God damn Lasers.. :(

Also, Cap Booster or Battery and Regen?

EVEmail reply if you want to stay off this thread, I am just really interested cause this was something I struggled with chosing originally.
ChromeStriker
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#75 - 2015-07-03 07:14:38 UTC
An eve forum post with trolls????????????????

Cap stability is a lie and too many pilots worry about it!

No Worries
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#76 - 2015-07-03 07:23:49 UTC
If you want something closed, please report it. That way we can see it! Thanks!

Closed at OP's request.

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