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Seeking advice on higher level, diversified ways to utilize my isk.

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Reizwasche
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2015-06-25 05:03:30 UTC
Ive recently come into some serious isk, ~80 billion, and i want to see if i can make 10% return on it monthly.

Ive already gone into jump freighting to seed lowsec markets and its been going well but ive capped out on orders. I could station trade but it seems you can only really use around 10 bil easily for that. I already do invention but its a bit more work intensive than i would like and its not moving enough isk.

Regardless, im looking for more ways to diversify my isk portfolio. My two ideas thus far are joining a null alliance and offer a buyback for ratting loot, etc. The other is buying up capital component bpos and researching them, and then selling again.
ZmajOgnjeniVuk
Doomheim
#2 - 2015-06-25 06:28:58 UTC
Cap component production & faction/deadspace module trading!
Reizwasche
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2015-06-25 06:42:35 UTC
ZmajOgnjeniVuk wrote:
Cap component production & faction/deadspace module trading!



The m3 levels of cap components seems pretty restrictive, im considering building caps to sell but id be worried about getting pos's blown up. Considering joining a null alliance like i said so maybe there.
Cista2
EVE Museum
#4 - 2015-06-25 09:02:49 UTC
Reizwasche wrote:
I could station trade but it seems you can only really use around 10 bil easily for that.
That's a matter of perspective. Some would say you cannot really station trade until you have 100 bn - for sure I could use 100 bn right now to buy [redacted] and [redacted].

My channel: "Signatures" -

Lex Estemaire
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2015-06-25 16:43:31 UTC
Station trading on expensive stuff, loans in market discussions
ZmajOgnjeniVuk
Doomheim
#6 - 2015-06-26 00:16:55 UTC
Reizwasche wrote:
ZmajOgnjeniVuk wrote:
Cap component production & faction/deadspace module trading!



The m3 levels of cap components seems pretty restrictive, im considering building caps to sell but id be worried about getting pos's blown up. Considering joining a null alliance like i said so maybe there.



Find your niche and I promise you cap component construction is well worth the investment. Also don't be afraid about wardecs and such. As long as you log in once a day you will be able to take anything down before the war actually initiates. I've had a few hisec pos on alts and none have been dunked..... Yet....Straight
Alexi Stokov
State War Academy
Caldari State
#7 - 2015-06-26 03:35:16 UTC
Why not just do what you did for 80 billion?
GankYou
9B30FF Labs
#8 - 2015-06-26 09:15:47 UTC  |  Edited by: GankYou
Why would we tell you that, if we can't short it? Smile
Avi Shekelstien
Doomheim
#9 - 2015-06-26 17:23:15 UTC
Give it to me. The warm feeling you get from helping your fellow man is reward enough.
Reizwasche
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2015-06-27 00:43:15 UTC
Alexi Stokov wrote:
Why not just do what you did for 80 billion?


Because its not actually mine, my friend is leaving the game for a while and wants to give me his isk to mess with, essentially an uncollateralized loan.
Reizwasche
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2015-06-27 00:44:46 UTC
Cista2 wrote:
That's a matter of perspective. Some would say you cannot really station trade until you have 100 bn - for sure I could use 100 bn right now to buy [redacted] and [redacted].


Personally i find it hard to trade with huge amounts of isk because the volume cant sustain it, not quickly anyway. Sure i could buy 500 of a given module but i wouldnt sell all of it for a couple weeks.

Am i approaching it wrong?
GankYou
9B30FF Labs
#12 - 2015-06-27 05:19:41 UTC
Reizwasche wrote:
Alexi Stokov wrote:
Why not just do what you did for 80 billion?


Because its not actually mine, my friend is leaving the game for a while and wants to give me his isk to mess with


Good luck. Smile
Cista2
EVE Museum
#13 - 2015-06-27 06:28:21 UTC
Reizwasche wrote:
Personally i find it hard to trade with huge amounts of isk because the volume cant sustain it, not quickly anyway. Sure i could buy 500 of a given module but i wouldnt sell all of it for a couple weeks.
If you sell your stuff in a couple of weeks at 10% interest, that would mean an enormous profit.

Simply buy 1300 geckos at 60 mil each, wait 3 weeks and you can probably sell them at 70 mil each. There, you just made your friend 13 bn. Or not, if you don't anticipate the market right. Maybe diversify a little.

Trading is scalable to the trillions, it just takes courage.

My channel: "Signatures" -

Reizwasche
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2015-06-27 06:33:50 UTC
Cista2 wrote:
If you sell your stuff in a couple of weeks at 10% interest, that would mean an enormous profit.

Simply buy 1300 geckos at 60 mil each, wait 3 weeks and you can probably sell them at 70 mil each. There, you just made your friend 13 bn. Or not, if you don't anticipate the market right. Maybe diversify a little.

Trading is scalable to the trillions, it just takes courage.


I think you're right, maybe i just never broke the threshold to get to this point. Thanks for the advice
Gary Bell
Therapy.
The Initiative.
#15 - 2015-06-30 16:36:40 UTC
I personally have found that reactions and alchemy when researched and done properly in an area where you dont get harassed or you live, and ON MOONS WITH NO MINERALS are pretty good isk

Anywhere from 1 ta 3 bil per large tower a month and with the proper startup isk you can leave it for like 2 weeks at a time. Just research market stability and flow and profit before you commit and of course JF make it simple for logistics
Bad Bobby
Bring Me Sunshine
In Tea We Trust
#16 - 2015-06-30 17:46:35 UTC
Reizwasche wrote:
Alexi Stokov wrote:
Why not just do what you did for 80 billion?

Because its not actually mine, my friend is leaving the game for a while and wants to give me his isk to mess with, essentially an uncollateralized loan.

Give it to me, I'll give you 10% per month ROI (8b per month) and you will not have to lift a finger.

All the fine gentlemen of this forum will attest to my honesty and acumen.
Amy Inhibenson
Living Off The Land
Intaki-Business Logistics Union
#17 - 2015-07-02 17:47:11 UTC
Cista2 wrote:
Reizwasche wrote:
Personally i find it hard to trade with huge amounts of isk because the volume cant sustain it, not quickly anyway. Sure i could buy 500 of a given module but i wouldnt sell all of it for a couple weeks.
If you sell your stuff in a couple of weeks at 10% interest, that would mean an enormous profit.

Simply buy 1300 geckos at 60 mil each, wait 3 weeks and you can probably sell them at 70 mil each. There, you just made your friend 13 bn. Or not, if you don't anticipate the market right. Maybe diversify a little.

Trading is scalable to the trillions, it just takes courage.


Selling stuff in a couple weeks in a major trading hub is terrible turnover though. Even though he'd have 80b of assets in the market, according to the daily volume traded it won't all clear, so the majority of that capital is tied up in assets and therefore useless. If it takes you 3 weeks to sell 80b of goods, you could have bought 1/21 the volume of the same assets and sold it in a day.

Also that's forgetting the fact that very large sell orders tend to make people go crazy and slash the prices of their own items being sold. So you can spread out and buy more types of items, and sell in more areas, but that takes tremendously more effort.

So I think the original point stands, it does get much more difficult to trade as you get more ISK.