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Jordon Wallace
Doomheim
#1 - 2015-07-01 17:39:51 UTC
Hey everyone I have been curious for sometime about the general opinions about this and wanted to get some kind of general consensus from people here. Now not going to go on a rant about EVE is dieing or any of that but it's a certainty EVE will die out eventually, all games do. So on that note when and if EVE did come to a close would you support the development of a second iteration of EVE following the same lore and being a continuation from this legacy, with a fresh slate mind you and if CCP did not want to develop this would you support another company doing so?

I believe EVE is such a unique Universe and game it would be a shame for another iteration to be passed up. With the development of Valkrie and Legion I feel with the new EVE when and if it did happen could integrate both of these into it's universe to make a more rich experience and learning from the mistakes made in this version the original one. I got to say as a new player I would be very excited for this to happen at some point as anyone in our shoes knows how frustrating it is being new in this Universe, not winging just stating a fact, look at the new player retention rate. So what do you all think?
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#2 - 2015-07-01 17:47:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Ralph King-Griffin
If it retained the core values tranquillity currently does then yes.

Tq however is very much alive and kicking and will hopefully remain so for some time to come.

No I would not advocate a fresh start but if ccp manages to screw eve up and it died I would certainly try a new iteration should it remain true to the ideals that keep me here currently.

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Wendrika Hydreiga
#3 - 2015-07-01 17:50:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Wendrika Hydreiga
Why not just improve upon (imperfect) perfection?

EVE as a game has been in a constant state of improvement, and almost every single part of the game has gone through refinement and modification. Why gamble it all in a new game, when the one we have right now is still malleable? Legacy code aside that is...
DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#4 - 2015-07-01 17:58:07 UTC  |  Edited by: DaReaper
i have already stated that if ccp announced eve closure tomorrow, i would most likly start hounding them for source code, and see if i could find programmers to help bring eve back ala EnB's emulation project.

got a few people who agreed, so i think yes is your answer. If done correctly, we players could redo or improve eve, but i hope that doens;t happen for many many years.

Edit addition:

My only hope would be in eve did close, that it would be because CCP has bene working on EVE 2.0 which would be a complete rewrite and update of eve, or EVE became part of new 'New Eden' game, which had valk, legion, eve, and other games tied in to make one cohesive game (yes ala Star Citizen)

OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!

Eve For life.
Vic Jefferson
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
#5 - 2015-07-01 18:19:42 UTC
Jordon Wallace wrote:
With the development of Valkrie and Legion I feel with the new EVE when and if it did happen could integrate both of these into it's universe to make a more rich experience and learning from the mistakes made in this version the original one.



So, in all practicality, it is hard enough to balance one game, let alone three, let alone the interaction between three. I understand where it is logically and conceptually pleasing to want to tote or even live under the slogan "One Universe". A lot of the current malaise could be blamed on spreading creative talent and quality checking too thin between several game lines.

Vote Vic Jefferson for CSM X.....XI.....XII?
Jordon Wallace
Doomheim
#6 - 2015-07-01 18:23:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Jordon Wallace
Vic Jefferson wrote:
Jordon Wallace wrote:
With the development of Valkrie and Legion I feel with the new EVE when and if it did happen could integrate both of these into it's universe to make a more rich experience and learning from the mistakes made in this version the original one.



So, in all practicality, it is hard enough to balance one game, let alone three, let alone the interaction between three. I understand where it is logically and conceptually pleasing to want to tote or even live under the slogan "One Universe". A lot of the current malaise could be blamed on spreading creative talent and quality checking too thin between several game lines.


Thing is they have already started developing them it's beyond the conceptional level, so in the spirit of One Universe it's only right they keep in tandem with that, was a executive decision not one by the players but since they started it they should see it through and integrate them the best they can. Sure it can be argued of the practicality of starting these projects but what is done is done all that can be done is make the best of it.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#7 - 2015-07-01 18:32:16 UTC
Jordon Wallace wrote:
Vic Jefferson wrote:
Jordon Wallace wrote:
With the development of Valkrie and Legion I feel with the new EVE when and if it did happen could integrate both of these into it's universe to make a more rich experience and learning from the mistakes made in this version the original one.



So, in all practicality, it is hard enough to balance one game, let alone three, let alone the interaction between three. I understand where it is logically and conceptually pleasing to want to tote or even live under the slogan "One Universe". A lot of the current malaise could be blamed on spreading creative talent and quality checking too thin between several game lines.


Thing is they have already started developing them it's beyond the conceptional level, so in the spirit of One Universe it's only right they keep in tandem with that, was a executive decision not one by the players but since they started it they should see it through and integrate them the best they can. Sure it can be argued of the practicality of starting these projects but what is done is done all that can be done is make the best of it.

remember though that they are happening because of the continued success of eve,

one does not tattoo the baby , never mind for something yet to prove its worth

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DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#8 - 2015-07-01 18:34:08 UTC
Vic Jefferson wrote:
Jordon Wallace wrote:
With the development of Valkrie and Legion I feel with the new EVE when and if it did happen could integrate both of these into it's universe to make a more rich experience and learning from the mistakes made in this version the original one.



So, in all practicality, it is hard enough to balance one game, let alone three, let alone the interaction between three. I understand where it is logically and conceptually pleasing to want to tote or even live under the slogan "One Universe". A lot of the current malaise could be blamed on spreading creative talent and quality checking too thin between several game lines.



As of right now, Valk, Legion, and EVE are not going to be connected. Thye just take place in the same game world. Kinda like you have the Army ding battle somethere in the world, and then you have people driving race cars elsewhere. They take place in the same world, but are different things. You will be able to switch between experences but they will have different goals.

What i want to see is basicly EVE Legion and Valk being like the US Army, Navy, Air Force, and Marines. Each group has its own primary opbjective and goals and way things happen, but there can be cordination between. For example,

Allaince A wants to take system x form alliance B.

they send in Legion troops to mess with Alliance b's startions, or citadels, or ihub, or planets, or something. This has an effect on the Multiplyers for the servers.

Alliance A then sends in Valk pilots to mess with starigic targets, like communication arrays, or disabling something else.

Then Alliance A's eve pilots dish out most of the other stuff and flip the system.

All three games can contribute. But lets say Alliance A thinks valk and legion are stupid. Alliance A can completely ignore thouse other 2 games, and still do stuff in eve.


But i have gone off topic so i digress

OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!

Eve For life.
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#9 - 2015-07-01 18:39:00 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
..one does not tattoo the baby...


I know its a saying...

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#10 - 2015-07-02 00:17:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Webvan
Jordon Wallace wrote:
Now not going to go on a rant about EVE is dieing or any of that but it's a certainty EVE will die out eventually, all games do.
EMP strikes? I don't think we will be worrying about games so much at that point. You see, the difference between CCP and most of the new game developers is that CCP is looking towards long term goals and plans, loosely, but generally. They have stated that they plan to be here in 10yrs with EVE (many MUDs are much much older and still active). The new generation of games, their plans are to get as much of your money as they can, or from the few cash cows that spend tens of thousands each, and then move onto the next game project to milk them again.

You just start playing EVE? You don't need to worry about 'being behind' and wanting it to be wiped and starting over so you can become whatever. All opportunities are open for new players, and you don't need 300mil SP to do that. As a sandbox game, a big factor is with social skills and even social engineering, if you want to put time in to do that at least. Having a lot of SP doesn't automatically give you the skills to build mega empires, and having less doesn't keep you from it.

I'm in it for the money

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Maldiro Selkurk
Radiation Sickness
#11 - 2015-07-02 01:39:43 UTC
Because CCP has managed the financial side of EVE as badly as they have they cannot even keep EVE up to date as it is, they simply have zero income to produce an entire other game (see recent fps utter failure as example). I seriously doubt any business with profit in mind would pick up a dead game and make a sequel.

Honestly EVE has been living on borrowed time since the moment of its release. EVE only has the playerbase it does now because you automatically win when youre the only entity in the arena this will be changing within the next year or two and then CCPs poor management of this game will be brought to stark resolve. EVE will continue on as every dead game usually keeps being hosted by the producing company as long as enough "hangers'-on" keep playing.

Yawn,  I'm right as usual. The predictability kinda gets boring really.
Commander Spurty
#12 - 2015-07-02 11:09:17 UTC
I'm getting too old and s little cranky for these "doom and gloom" posts.

I was going through my catalog of MMOs I *once* played.

In there are about 40 "EVE killers". Well, I'm starting to sense a pattern here.

There are good ships,

And wood ships,

And ships that sail the sea

But the best ships are Spaceships

Built by CCP
Angelica Dreamstar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2015-07-02 11:14:46 UTC
Jordon Wallace wrote:
Hey everyone I have been curious for sometime about the general opinions about this and wanted to get some kind of general consensus from people here. Now not going to go on a rant about EVE is dieing or any of that but it's a certainty EVE will die out eventually, all games do. So on that note when and if EVE did come to a close would you support the development of a second iteration of EVE following the same lore and being a continuation from this legacy, with a fresh slate mind you and if CCP did not want to develop this would you support another company doing so?

I believe EVE is such a unique Universe and game it would be a shame for another iteration to be passed up. With the development of Valkrie and Legion I feel with the new EVE when and if it did happen could integrate both of these into it's universe to make a more rich experience and learning from the mistakes made in this version the original one. I got to say as a new player I would be very excited for this to happen at some point as anyone in our shoes knows how frustrating it is being new in this Universe, not winging just stating a fact, look at the new player retention rate. So what do you all think?

I think that you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about and let excitement cloud your judgement. Smile

bingo, his pig not being a goat doesn't make the pig wrong, just him an idiot for shouting at his pig "WHY ARENT YOU A GOAT!" (Source)

-- Ralph King-Griffin, about deranged people playing EVE ONLINE
Jordon Wallace
Doomheim
#14 - 2015-07-02 14:00:59 UTC
Angelica Dreamstar wrote:
Jordon Wallace wrote:
Hey everyone I have been curious for sometime about the general opinions about this and wanted to get some kind of general consensus from people here. Now not going to go on a rant about EVE is dieing or any of that but it's a certainty EVE will die out eventually, all games do. So on that note when and if EVE did come to a close would you support the development of a second iteration of EVE following the same lore and being a continuation from this legacy, with a fresh slate mind you and if CCP did not want to develop this would you support another company doing so?

I believe EVE is such a unique Universe and game it would be a shame for another iteration to be passed up. With the development of Valkrie and Legion I feel with the new EVE when and if it did happen could integrate both of these into it's universe to make a more rich experience and learning from the mistakes made in this version the original one. I got to say as a new player I would be very excited for this to happen at some point as anyone in our shoes knows how frustrating it is being new in this Universe, not winging just stating a fact, look at the new player retention rate. So what do you all think?

I think that you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about and let excitement cloud your judgement. Smile


Please build on that.
Angelica Dreamstar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2015-07-02 14:24:01 UTC
Well first of all won't there be a another EVE with the same lore, because Intellectual Property is a thing. Then there is your abuse of the word "generation". Then you use the word "iteration", ignoring that EVE already went through countless.

The very best part comes when you write "a more rich experience", shpwing that ypu have no clue of this game, the experiences it has to offer or what "rich experience" means in the first place.

Now hush hush, my little friend, go play the game and experience it's depth and madness!

bingo, his pig not being a goat doesn't make the pig wrong, just him an idiot for shouting at his pig "WHY ARENT YOU A GOAT!" (Source)

-- Ralph King-Griffin, about deranged people playing EVE ONLINE
Jordon Wallace
Doomheim
#16 - 2015-07-02 15:18:24 UTC
Angelica Dreamstar wrote:
Well first of all won't there be a another EVE with the same lore, because Intellectual Property is a thing. Then there is your abuse of the word "generation". Then you use the word "iteration", ignoring that EVE already went through countless.

The very best part comes when you write "a more rich experience", shpwing that ypu have no clue of this game, the experiences it has to offer or what "rich experience" means in the first place.

Now hush hush, my little friend, go play the game and experience it's depth and madness!


Alright, correct me if I am wrong or not understanding something here.

- CCP has the rights to EVE therefore they could in time make a new EVE if they wanted to or sell those rights
- How is it abuse of the word generation and iteration? Both implying a new EVE would be a second generation and or iteration of it's predecessor
- How am I wrong saying it would be a more rich experience? Do you know what it's like being new and being barred from doing so many things in the game for such a long time? You understand the figures of new player retention in EVE yeah?

Not trying to be aggressive or anything but I just want to understand your point of view and for you to understand mine. I love this game but it's very apparant CCP needs to make changes if EVE is to continue like it should. And don't misinterpret me as crying for a new generation of EVE now I am saying that would be good when and if it happens as I said EVE will not last forever.
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#17 - 2015-07-02 15:24:21 UTC
Jordon Wallace wrote:
Hey everyone I have been curious for sometime about the general opinions about this and wanted to get some kind of general consensus from people here. Now not going to go on a rant about EVE is dieing or any of that but it's a certainty EVE will die out eventually, all games do. So on that note when and if EVE did come to a close would you support the development of a second iteration of EVE following the same lore and being a continuation from this legacy, with a fresh slate mind you and if CCP did not want to develop this would you support another company doing so?

I believe EVE is such a unique Universe and game it would be a shame for another iteration to be passed up. With the development of Valkrie and Legion I feel with the new EVE when and if it did happen could integrate both of these into it's universe to make a more rich experience and learning from the mistakes made in this version the original one. I got to say as a new player I would be very excited for this to happen at some point as anyone in our shoes knows how frustrating it is being new in this Universe, not winging just stating a fact, look at the new player retention rate. So what do you all think?


It would be the death of eve to start a new shard - for certain. I would not want to start skilling again and I only have 80 mil SP on my main.

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Yarda Black
The Black Redemption
#18 - 2015-07-02 15:24:26 UTC
All I read was: "EVE is dying" and "let's start over".

Both are denied in the post itself oddly, so it went all wrong somewhere for me. Which also means I probably don't want another server. I mean... eh... what?
chmeee kzin
Raging Main
Bullets Bombs and Blondes
#19 - 2015-07-02 15:32:31 UTC  |  Edited by: chmeee kzin
Jordon Wallace wrote:
Now not going to go on a rant about EVE is dieing or any of that but it's a certainty EVE will die out eventually, all games do.

I got to say as a new player I would be very excited for this to happen at some point as anyone in our shoes knows how frustrating it is being new in this Universe, not winging just stating a fact, look at the new player retention rate. So what do you all think?


It's a "certainty" ? Well... you are either from the future and here to warn us of impending doom, or maybe you have no idea what you are talking about. Outside of the Eve universe is a company called CCP who uses a entertainment medium referred to by the gaming industry as a MMO / MMOG which has one prevailing motive in order to sustain a business model. Profit!

As long as there is money to be made, there will be Eve. Those of us who have played this game long enough have heard the same refrain time and again. Yet Eve is still here! I suspect that it might outlive me. (I'm a fossil).

As far as "New Player Retention". Eve has been and will continue to be a game that harshly separates the "wheat from the chaff". The player base that has adapted over the years to numerous iterations of Eve are the "winnowing fork" that accomplishes this and ensures that we have a game worthy of continued play.

It is the new generation of players whose culture of "I want it now", "How come it's not free", or "You mean I actually have to earn that" mentality that WILL fail at this game. No iteration of Eve 2.0 or such will ever change that or make it a better game. Not once has anyone ever had to create content for me or make it "better" in Eve. If I have a complaint, It's that there are not enough hours in a day to do all the things I would like!
Yeah I'm retired and can devote time to my hobby. And yes... I earned that as well!

Exits soapbox
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#20 - 2015-07-02 15:38:36 UTC
Yarda Black wrote:
All I read was: "EVE is dying" and "let's start over".

Both are denied in the post itself oddly, so it went all wrong somewhere for me. Which also means I probably don't want another server. I mean... eh... what?

Actually it's" if eve was already dead and ccp had another go at it" but the difference is irrelevant , she's still kicking.

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