Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Can't debate the topic beyond repeating the same tripe argument, so let's simply start in on the debater.

Sure supports your side.

1. me too
2. lore facts? You got a link to backstory backing you? That would be fact. What you are stating is the obvious which is useless act, we dont need you to see the obvious.
3. me too
4. me neither
5. How is defending my own playstyle openly = hypocryte? Learn the meaning of this word.
6. me neither, you still refuse to accept the fact that I didnt start this thread, don't you? Even after I pointed you at that.. /o\

No the PIE....RATS act wrong.

Hope this helps.

Cherry picking your arguments is the first sign that you know that you have no solid ground to stand on.

My lack of killboard is the result of my lack of concern about PvP, not my lack of experience with it. I have certainly lost ships all over EvE, from high sec to null in PvP. I don't pursue kills, I don't prevent people from warping away, I don't post logs to killboards. My goal is not PvP explosions but rather whatever PvE project I undocked for.

My arguments likewise do not draw upon any particular PvP philosophy. They stem from logic, reasoning and extrapolation from established facts within the game. I few EvE as a game, not a bland shooting gallery. Plenty of games offer pure PvP and EvE isn't one of them.

More particular in this case, you are asking for a change from what is, back to a state of the game deemed unbalanced a few years ago. You give no reason to make such a change beyond it being easier for you. Your claims of balancing the ratter playstyle are manifestly false, your assigning motivation to NPCs are nothing but reaching for straws.

Your only defense against having your illusory narrative of the poor disadvantaged PvP gankbears shown for a hollow sham is to try and discredit anyone who disagrees with you as lacking understanding because Gankbear PvP is some mystical holy Grail that must be preserved for reasons the unbelievers can never understand.

You don't need combat experience to understand that warping the rules so that you are off the NPC menu is hilariously unbalancing in any engagement where they are present . You can say that the net affect of npcs shooting you is defending your target, but it's not true as they follow the same rules no matter who you are.

I am not attacking your profession. I am not defending the AI. I am pointing out that your suggestion is unbalanced, and asking for real solid reasons beyond it makes it easier to gank that might justify such a sanity warping idea, and failing that willing to engage in a discussion to develop the idea into a form less stupidly one sided.

If all you got is I want the game to be easier and anyone that disagrees is either lying, ignorant or stupid, then I am afraid you should get used to your only support being trolls and mental handicaps.

Why is this thread still going.

For the love of god stop feeding the trolls.

See, here is where you are wrong. Again. In an almost mind boggling new way.

First, I would not try to fly in an area full of dozens of rats without a proper tank or without preparations for the ewar they use. That's just dumb. Even without using ewar you can expect some rat lovin, so going in with the intention of using modules that really, really get their attention is just brain dead rock stupid- which I am not.

Perhaps the problem is your lack of interest or respect for PvE. You don't understand the playstyle, costs, risks or other considerations, and so rather than learn you just want to be able to ignore it. That would be like me asking for my ship to be immune to player weapons fire because I don't want to deal with PvP.

I am not advocating for more ratter safety. I am advocating for a level playing field. What you want is stupid, selfish and unbalanced- especially to get such a huge advantage as a default for no effort.

You would like to declare me unable to understand because you have no basis for your own stance. You want to pretend like there is some mystical secret to your playstyle that makes it somehow morally superior or something. All you succeed in doing is prove yourself incapable of rational dialogue, especially with your juvenile references to sex and virgins. Oooh, yeah! That just made you cooler!

Quite the opposite, I move expensive ships through all areas of space on a regular basis. I know the effort required to travel safely and get where you are going even with very slow ships.

It's more like discussing baseball with someone who is not a fan, but lives with lots of superfans. It's impossible to play EvE without picking up PvP skills of some kind. You might take my lack of substancial lossess as more of a clue than a reason to discount any opinion I might voice. And really, I don't know that I have ever been to Motsu, try banging on another hub for a while.

no, because you're a virgin trying to discuss you know what.
Your agent prolly be ready for next L4, I'd check.


WH space? I should man up? For what "man up"? I dont like WH space because I would kill myself from constant probing after 2 days.
Its completely different, its WH space, there is also no chat instantly showing everyone a bad guy or a group of them as they enter the room. Dont try to argument K-Space with anything from W-Space, this wont get you anywhere and you know it.

sure sure, I won them.
After all, the main purpose of PvP and hunting PvEers is denting their isk/h graph for a little. Everyone knows. lmao.
Your L4 agent seems busy.

No, I dont want to live in WH space. Whats your point?

I don't want npc mechanics changed so risk averse kiters flying garbage.... err garmurs can conduct 'pvp' with zero risk.
I want to jar some of your 'belt rats are too dangerous' tears.
I enjoy your awesomeness!

(I guess I have 3 points)

That probably has come up already in this thread, but there it is anyway.

I'll try to play devil's advocate here and say that in the end rats, for the most part, are resource to be harvested with adequate tools. Although instead of binary evaluation of said tool by game mechanics (for example: is this mining laser? yes, you can gather your ore), adequacy is tested in combat (can you deal this DPS and not be toasted in the process? here's yor ISK and loot opportunity).

So, if we treat it like that (and I guess not many people would object if we are talking about practical matters), is it really a good idea that we currently have almost-rocks defending almost-miners in case someone jumps the latter?

Of course, abstract principle is not the only concern, there may be others, like "do we want ratting/ganking easier/harder in practice?", but there's that.