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Is it possible to pull bubble hostile towers without incapping the guns?
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Cyrus Doul
kotitekoinen sissijuusto
#1 - 2011-12-22 00:29:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Cyrus Doul
Like the subject says, There are a couple of bots in a system. And I want to kill them. Ive got their timing from when all hostiles leave system down to when they warp out to a belt, but the problem is is they warp out to random belts, so I would have to get to the right one before they get out of the bubble and back to their pos. I figured if I could bubble the tower up, with bookmarks to the bubbles and sit outside 150 to each I could nail them on their warpin.

The tower has four small artillery batteries, and two medium auto cannon batteries as weapons. If I am understanding the readouts right. I just have to be greater then 90km and the activation proximity of the autocannon's wont engage, but the small artillery have a proximity of 330 km and a falloff of 168, so I assume they can hit to the 255 km gridline, If that is the case I most likely can not set pull bubbles down or they will just get killed by the smalls for them to be on grid and work?

TL;DR, want to catch bot, bot warps to tower with small artillery batteries, is it possible to suckerbubble tower and kill bot without tower killing bubbles, (and me)?


If someone can think of a way a solo pilot (currently in a Manticore) can catch a bot raven someway else, I'm willing to try.
Kaanchana
Tax-haven
#2 - 2011-12-22 03:44:36 UTC
You can try setting up stop bubbles at the all warpin points on the belts from the pos. If you can deduce the belt from the direction of their warp and some quick distance scans, you can catch them.

PS: dont bots safe up when there is a neut/red in system?
Cyrus Doul
kotitekoinen sissijuusto
#3 - 2011-12-22 03:49:28 UTC
Kaanchana wrote:
You can try setting up stop bubbles at the all warpin points on the belts from the pos. If you can deduce the belt from the direction of their warp and some quick distance scans, you can catch them.

PS: dont bots safe up when there is a neut/red in system?



Yeah. these ones safe up by warping out of the belt into the tower shields. That's why I was wondering if its possible to get pull bubbles to work far enough out that small artillery guns on the tower wouldn't be able to hit or something.
Kaanchana
Tax-haven
#4 - 2011-12-22 03:54:37 UTC
a drag bubble will work as far as the grid. that means if u can stretch your grid to say 500km and drop a bubble, it will pull ships to that distance. I read somewhere about extending the grid, not sure of its location or even if it can be done now. AFAIK if the grid is, say 300km and if you drop a container at the edge of the grid, that will acts as a centre point and will extend it to another 150km or so..

I am not sure if it can be done now. Wait for someone to confirm this.
Cyrus Doul
kotitekoinen sissijuusto
#5 - 2011-12-22 03:57:51 UTC
Kaanchana wrote:
a drag bubble will work as far as the grid. that means if u can stretch your grid to say 500km and drop a bubble, it will pull ships to that distance. I read somewhere about extending the grid, not sure of its location or even if it can be done now. AFAIK if the grid is, say 300km and if you drop a container at the edge of the grid, that will acts as a centre point and will extend it to another 150km or so..

I am not sure if it can be done now. Wait for someone to confirm this.


Heheh. i thought ccp fixed this. I'll give it a try tomorrow and see.
Carniflex
StarHunt
Mordus Angels
#6 - 2011-12-22 08:23:51 UTC
Note however, that POS guns that are controlled by players dont have max range. I have seen people podded 600 km from a tower by gunner controlled guns during null sec campaigns.

The normal optimal + 2x falloff rules still apply ofc so beyond ~400 km the probability of hitting anything is relatively low.

PS. Take it with grain of salt. I have not checked if last patch did anything to POS guns controlled by gunners.

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Mr Bigwinky
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2011-12-22 09:47:25 UTC
Quick thing to note here is that you shouldn't assume that everyone sets their tower correctly. I live in WH space, and I have bubbled and killed many people on their tower. Just drop and anchor a small t1 from your bomber, if the tower shoots it you'll have your answer.

However, if they are set correctly, towers WILL shoot your bubbles.
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Aessaya
Independent treasure hunters
#8 - 2011-12-26 03:01:39 UTC
You can alslo try to use dictor bubbles. Dictor should be able to pop a bubble and cloak back faster than tower guns can lock it. And towers (or any other gun save for a smartbomb) can hit a dictor probe.

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Cur
Back Door Burglars
#9 - 2011-12-28 16:06:12 UTC
the towers will shoot ur bubbles. Even if there is no pos gunner it shold be able to kill ur bubbles before they come online.

The range on pos guns also depends on what ammo is in the guns.

Drag bubbles only pull from 100km away, any further and they dont work. They also have to be aligned in the direction of which the person is warping from. So you'd need 1 bubble per belt if all the belts are split up across the system.

so three options for you on how to kill these botters!

one is expensive. one is time consuming, the last is luck based.


Expensive: Buy a bubble for every belt. drop bubbles at every belt at 0. leave system, wait for them to warp out ot a belt again, come back in, kill them while they're stuck in the bubbles.


Cheap but Time Consuming: From what you've said about the tower - it has minimal guns. Jump in a shuttle, head out to the tower. Setup an orbit say 200-300k from the pos, go afk and do some housework or something. Since the shuttle is small, super fast and supersmall sig raidus the guns will fire but they'll miss.

When you return the guns should be yellow/redboxing you still, but not actualy shooting you as they're out of ammo. DO NOT DO THIS if the tower has webs, and make sure you're orbit range is outside the max range possible for the small guns.

Luck: Pick a belt, any belt! warp to 0, drop a bubble. log off. wait. log on, see if the random belt the bots warped to was the one you're in. no? log off. wait. login, rinse repeat untill they warp to the belt you've got the bubble in.


have fun!
Maddox Grey
Coordination Incorporated
#10 - 2011-12-28 22:48:28 UTC
Bring a hauler full of bubbles.
Bubble every belt.
Leave the system.
Wait...
...
...
You should now have plenty of time to search the belts for targets Pirate
Silas Shaw
Coffee Hub
#11 - 2011-12-30 04:20:18 UTC
Umm.... Does the tower have scrams? If no, but a Beast Tanked Broadsword on it on the side of more belts. tank the guns. kill the things. pod them. rinse. repeat.

Silas
Diemar
Plutocratic Industries
Chained Reactions
#12 - 2011-12-30 12:16:13 UTC
Cur wrote:


Drag bubbles only pull from 100km away, any further and they dont work. They also have to be aligned in the direction of which the person is warping from. So you'd need 1 bubble per belt if all the belts are split up across the system.



Drag bubbles / Interdictor probes / Hic Bubble pull/stops as long as its on grid with the point of warp of target, AND in path of the warp vector.

I've personally pulled a shuttle with a small t1 450km of a pos.

The guns may have a good range, but as long as theres no posgunner then they will only shoot at targets in their activationrange.

Just setup your bubble out of this activationrange of any gun, say 450km, then youre good as long as theres no posgunners, which the whole bot-thing implies theres not.
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#13 - 2011-12-30 17:50:33 UTC

I use bubbles a lot...

They used to have a 100ish km range, but now they will work as long as they are on grid with the warp-to object and inline with the incoming warp vector.

I would look at the system to see if there are clustered asteroid belts (5+ belts around the same planet). Use bookmarks to quickly setup a 400ish km catch spot and anchor a medium bubble (small will work, but medium gives better coverage). Then just leave system and periodically come back in and warp to the bubble.... nom nom nom nom ...

Don't bubble every belt... just bubble the major cluster(s)..