Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Given the constant furore about Falcon's still being overpowered, and the ever-increasing annoyance regards ecm drones - especially the lights - I thought maybe CCP could introduce another skill specifically to help counter being jammed. Not all players would train it as those preferring non-PvP gameplay wouldn't bother, but it could help those who do prefer PvP.

The skill wouldn't be a 'total' foil to being jammed, but would severely decrease the chances of being perma-jammed and maybe not being jammed at all for some fights.

Despite how long I've played the game, I'm not one given to minute details and detailed game mechanics, so maybe some players who are into the game in that depth could pick the idea up and run with it?

Btw, I personally don't have an issue with being jammed - either permanently or otherwise, even though it can be bloody annoying - as it's all part of the sandbox.

Just a thought.

Thank you. It only took a few minutes thought. Appreciate the compliment.

introducing this "skill" only further nerfs ECM pilots, that have spent (in some cases months) and 100+Mil ISK to get a jamming strength of 14-15.

ECM is not overpowered, ECM is a chance to begin with you can reduce your changes of being jammed with modules.
Sensor damps are not, tracking disruptors are not chance based, and lots of people already fit Sensor boosters, Tracking enhancers/computers, not many people fit ECCM maybe you should consider the application of modules to counter modules, as not everything should be countered with skills.

introducing this would unbalance the jamming mechanic further, to counter it you should propose with it the removal of the eccm modules. Not many ships can be permajammed, (mostyly frigates, some cruisers, and very few battleships ect.) you should not be able to prepare for all eventualities with fitting, you should have to run into something that you are not prepared for. EX. If you don't have a sensor booster and get 'Damped, guess what happens...if you get neuted and don't have cap boosters, guess what happens... these are things that skills can only do so much before you NEED modules.

Now before you call me a troll, I have thought it out, and I have seen what happens in combat. I've been jammed, and i know how much it hurts not to be able to counter your enemy, but I've also been damped by an arazu, and i know that my targeting range is (from 75km) down to 20km and unless you're faster than it, you'll never catch it, and you'll never get away, not many people propose nerfing the `razu, or introducing skills to further boost the Scan-Res or targeting range.

These are my opinions,
Fly safe, and good hunting.

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Removal racial ECM and make the multis use scripts to become a racial jammer!

cause eccm doens't directly increase your dps so no one bothers fitting it duh!

Ok so

ECM's not overpowered, if you think it is you're a moron and you weren't around for the days of falcon alts literally everywhere and in every fleet, far out of your optimal jamming everything and warping off no problem if they were engaged. Now, falcon alts are really just ewar alts. Not really a big deal, people that cry about falcon alts just shouldn't be trying to solo pvp anyway, as solo pvp is never 1 v 1. Its 1 v howevermanydecidetoengageyou. Additionally, how do you know that falcon alt isn't really my roommate waiting to decloak to help me out if I need it?

Anyway, that aside, I support a skill that boosts sensor strength. Reason for this? Skills are supposed to give you an advantage. We have a skill that increases locking range, thus a skill based counter to damps. We have skills for cap, thus skill based counters to neuts. We have skills for speed, thus skill based counters to webs. Warp disruptors....ok you're screwed, don't get pointed, make him drop his point somehow (neut, out of range, etc) or kill him.

There is no reason to not have a skill set for countering ECM. And this is coming from someone that flies ECM...a fair bit.

I don't really know how this skill should be implemented. I like the idea of hard numbers (1 point to sensor strength per level), but percentage based is probably better. Something like 10% per level would probably be sufficient, rank 4 or 5 skill.

tl;dr more skills that affect gameplay/spaceship pewing is good

Ok, so tracking distruptors and sensor damps have scripts so you can choose what u nerf (tracking speed or optimal range)(Scan res or targeting range) but if you bring the wrong sensor damp for a certain race, that puts you at an extreme disadvantage because it doesn't work with the ship.... oh wait....

Sensor damp works on every ship, only one slot, and it is not chance based.

ECM boats have to either go agaisnt their ships shield tank and go armor tank or go completely ECM tank. A rook that flies in a small gang that has one of each jammer in its midslots is always primaried and god forbid if there is 2 minmatar or 3 gallente ships ur fighting. Ur ecm mods are damn near useless and maybe you'll jam one or two of them but thats it.

In other words, there is absolutley no flexibility with ecm boats. U fit racial jammers to cover the spectrum but if an extra ship of a certain race warps on grid and u do not have enough jammers FOR THAT RACE, you are useless and u die in a fire.

Its not OP, its balance. I love my rook, but I dont dare fly it without support of 5-10 ships with 2 or 3 ecm boats with it. Yet I see solo/small gangs of rapirers, arazus, or worse yet CURSES.

Um,how about no he says... why don't you go drink a glass of some luke-warm, froathy, thick, sticky, and salty STFU and pod urself.

EDIT: PS: 40 km webifiers and bonused target painters, 49km neuts, 50km warp distruption.... and ECM is op? Are you effing kidding me? REALLY? It prevents damage and saves ships, it is the least effective in terms of DPS and the tanks are GOD AWFUL compared to other recons. Also some ships are damn near immune to ECM because of their high sensor strength. Then if they fit ECCM... well, you don't even matter now do you?

BTW a cap booster only helps in between those neut cycles (which are quick)

and if u r caught with a 30km scram, good luck getting out of range.

Its a suggestion, and basically u take a multi spec ECM and put a script that puts a multiplier on a certain jam strength. Hell you could make it so there are meta scripts and t2 scripts with better jam strengths and ranges.

The thing I am suggesting is more flexibility.

Removing racial jammers would be apart of my suggestion. Turn them into scripts.

(edited because I posted this with my phone)

By that logic, you are putting an arbitrary value on versitility on EWAR mods. You are implying that target painters, webifiers, warp scrams and disruptors, dampeners and neuts are all to versitle and need a racial element added to balance them. Basically stating that if an unbonused ship can use it effectivly, it is OP and should be nerfed.

I do not like your logic sir. I am agaisnt it.