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Illegal Spokeswoman
Doomheim
#1 - 2015-07-01 13:27:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Illegal Spokeswoman
OUTDATED.

This thread is no longer relevant please see This Thread for the latest Illegal Investments offers.


Those that already have investments with us, rest assured they will continue as agreed.

Those that have contacted me privately about investments we can continue to conduct business as we were.

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Hello everyone, (I have edited this post after some feedback from other capsuleers.)

Illegal Investments has reached a milestone \o/ and now it's time to play with the much bigger traders!

I restarted my eve career last month with new characters and new accounts. No, not because I did something bad but because combat was getting dull for me and I always found myself dabbling around in the markets more anyway.

I currently trade Inter-regionally. I have found that this scales really well and with my 5 trading characters it allows me to have coverage of the 5 main hubs.

Now that I have skilled wholescale and soon tycoon I have found that I have a lot of empty order slots so to increase returns I have decided to allow public purchases of bonds for "Illegal Investments". This is the corporation I operate through.

Use
The isk will be used to expand my trading portfolio. Trade more items and in turn make more isk.
I'm borderlining the maximum capabilities with my own isk now and bond investments are a great way for me to trade more and for you to recieve a return on investment.


Bond

Details EDITED
There is no limit to quantity of bonds available.
The bonds cost 100m each.

The bonds have a minimum holding time of 1 month from purchase.
Your bond can be terminated at anytime after this period, please allow up to 2 days for this process.#

Bonds are uncollateralized.

Interest
I have choosen to use a 5% compounding interest rate which is calculated monthly.
Your interest plus your original investment is paid to you upon termination of your bonds.

Purchasing
To purchase a bond send isk in 100m increments to Illegal Investments followed by either an evemail or forum post to notify me.
(1 bond per 100m, 200m sent will get 2 bonds)


To get in contact with me please either eve mail Illegal Spokeswoman or ingame chat with Illegal Clone 001

Please only post if you are actually intrested in a bond or bond specific questions. I'm ignoring all unreleated posts.

O..0

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Alexi Stokov
State War Academy
Caldari State
#2 - 2015-07-01 13:44:42 UTC
Judging by what you said under " bond defaults", I'm am not sure you know what it means to default on a bond. Also, there is 0 collateral correct?
Bad Bobby
Bring Me Sunshine
In Tea We Trust
#3 - 2015-07-01 13:50:07 UTC
A 50B uncollateralised loan on your first visit is probably over-reaching.

If you are serious about this, you need to lower the number of bonds and the buy in per bond. You can always issue more bonds later.
Aileen Morex
Morex Group Inc.
Haven.
#4 - 2015-07-01 13:50:07 UTC
A 50 billion isk request from a brand new character with no collateral or backing is not going to be funded. It is not a matter of the investments being small or large. Without a reputation or collateral no one will trust you. And with you asking for such a hefty sum the chances that you'll just disappear are huge.
Illegal Spokeswoman
Doomheim
#5 - 2015-07-01 13:52:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Illegal Spokeswoman
The bonds are uncollatalised.

I do not expect 200 bond to get filled.

200 is the limit I'm willing to handle.


Alexi Stokov wrote:
Judging by what you said under " bond defaults", I'm am not sure you know what it means to default on a bond. Also, there is 0 collateral correct?

I have moved that section under details. I understood what it meant I just couldn't think of a better subheader for that section.

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Bad Bobby
Bring Me Sunshine
In Tea We Trust
#6 - 2015-07-01 13:58:27 UTC
Illegal Spokeswoman wrote:
The bonds are uncollatalised.

I do not expect 200 bond to get filled.

200 is the limit I'm willing to handle.

If you were offering 10 bonds at 100m each, you would get investors.

If you offer 200 bonds at 250m each, nobody sane will touch it.

It's not like you can't then go and sell more bonds later, using this bond sale as evidence of your abilities.
Illegal Spokeswoman
Doomheim
#7 - 2015-07-01 14:12:24 UTC
Bad Bobby wrote:
Illegal Spokeswoman wrote:
The bonds are uncollatalised.

I do not expect 200 bond to get filled.

200 is the limit I'm willing to handle.

If you were offering 10 bonds at 100m each, you would get investors.

If you offer 200 bonds at 250m each, nobody sane will touch it.

It's not like you can't then go and sell more bonds later, using this bond sale as evidence of your abilities.




10 bonds at 100m would not be enough to do any realistic trading with.

250m is not enough for most people for it to be risky investment and it allows for a reasonable amount to use to trade.

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Bad Bobby
Bring Me Sunshine
In Tea We Trust
#8 - 2015-07-01 14:38:06 UTC
Illegal Spokeswoman wrote:
10 bonds at 100m would not be enough to do any realistic trading with.

I understand that, but you haven't the luxury of reputation or collateral sufficient to raise the money you want.

So you have to consider: which is better?

1. Raising nothing at all and walking away with a failed bond in your history.

2. Raising a small amount of money and paving your way to a larger future bond once you have demonstrated your ability.

Either take your pick or start bringing in the alts, friends and fools that you expect to fill this.
Illegal Spokeswoman
Doomheim
#9 - 2015-07-01 14:42:49 UTC
Bad Bobby wrote:
Illegal Spokeswoman wrote:
10 bonds at 100m would not be enough to do any realistic trading with.

I understand that, but you haven't the luxury of reputation or collateral sufficient to raise the money you want.

So you have to consider: which is better?

1. Raising nothing at all and walking away with a failed bond in your history.

2. Raising a small amount of money and paving your way to a larger future bond once you have demonstrated your ability.

Either take your pick or start bringing in the alts, friends and fools that you expect to fill this.


I edited the main post after your last post. I do agree. I think perhaps I was being a little TOO optimistic. I've changed the price to 100m per bond and 25 bonds to begin with.

After a few months I will release more bonds as people are satisfied.

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Bad Bobby
Bring Me Sunshine
In Tea We Trust
#10 - 2015-07-01 14:56:22 UTC
How long are these bonds going to run for?

Why have you chosen 3% for your rate?

Why are you choosing to compound interest rather than paying simple interest to the investors monthly?
Illegal Spokeswoman
Doomheim
#11 - 2015-07-01 15:03:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Illegal Spokeswoman
Bad Bobby wrote:
How long are these bonds going to run for?

Why have you chosen 3% for your rate?

Why are you choosing to compound interest rather than paying simple interest to the investors monthly?



The bonds will run indefinitely.

I was going to originally do 5% as 3% didn't feel like enough but friends insisted that 3% was a good amount. :S

Compound interest allows people who have held their bonds for longer periods of time to get higher payments. I was thinking of it like a loyalty bonus.

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Bad Bobby
Bring Me Sunshine
In Tea We Trust
#12 - 2015-07-01 15:17:54 UTC
Illegal Spokeswoman wrote:
I was going to originally do 5% as 3% didn't feel like enough but friends insisted that 3% was a good amount. :S
You should probably take a look at the recent loans in this section and see how many 3%-5% loans have filled.

Illegal Spokeswoman wrote:
Compound interest allows people who have been loyal for longer periods of time to get higher payments. I was thinking of it like a loyalty bonus.
But it also means you get to keep all the money, until people start cashing out. That may be good for you, but it will be somewhat worrying to investors.
Illegal Spokeswoman
Doomheim
#13 - 2015-07-01 15:40:50 UTC
Bad Bobby wrote:
Illegal Spokeswoman wrote:
I was going to originally do 5% as 3% didn't feel like enough but friends insisted that 3% was a good amount. :S
You should probably take a look at the recent loans in this section and see how many 3%-5% loans have filled.

Illegal Spokeswoman wrote:
Compound interest allows people who have been loyal for longer periods of time to get higher payments. I was thinking of it like a loyalty bonus.
But it also means you get to keep all the money, until people start cashing out. That may be good for you, but it will be somewhat worrying to investors.



Just means people decide when they want their isk back instead of just having an end date.

I did have a look at the other loans and it might just be me but there were a lot of people offering 2 - 3% and one 10%.


Also remember that this isn't a loan per say.
It's just a way for people to make a return on their isk while I am able to spend more isk on trading.

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Bad Bobby
Bring Me Sunshine
In Tea We Trust
#14 - 2015-07-01 15:58:05 UTC
Illegal Spokeswoman wrote:
I did have a look at the other loans and it might just be me but there were a lot of people offering 2 - 3%
With collateral, trusted third party or massive reputation.

Illegal Spokeswoman wrote:
and one 10%.
Without collateral, trusted third party or massive reputation.

Which one of those is yours?
okoolos rimmer
Napkin Nation
#15 - 2015-07-01 16:07:29 UTC
no collateral + no loan history = no bond

Simple as that. And we don't really care if it's 1B or 20B. Neither of those is gonna get filled.
flakeys
Doomheim
#16 - 2015-07-01 16:22:53 UTC
okoolos rimmer wrote:
no collateral + no loan history = no bond

Simple as that. And we don't really care if it's 1B or 20B. Neither of those is gonna get filled.



A 1B or something along those lines could get filled okoolos , there are still idiots/gamblers like me around who invest in unsecured bonds , well that is like i was as i don't do much investments anymore be it with or without collateral.It's a game and some people still like to play it as such.

That said , OP is going to have to figure out how to get investors in and for starters 3% probably is not going to do that.On the other side it is better to loan out isk for 5% then to ask 10% and have someone get a burned out or just burned because of it.Seeing as we are talking 5 trade hubs here it is easy to distribute at least 50B with a 5% rate and still make your own profits attractive.

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
Nornir Empire
#17 - 2015-07-01 16:23:31 UTC
What milestone did you reach?

Have you got any proof that you are doing what you say you are? http://www.eve-mogul.com/ has a free seven day trial.

Illegal Spokeswoman wrote:

Also remember that this isn't a loan per say.
It's just a way for people to make a return on their isk while I am able to spend more isk on trading.


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flakeys
Doomheim
#18 - 2015-07-01 16:25:55 UTC
Elizabeth Norn wrote:
What milestone did you reach?

Have you got any proof that you are doing what you say you are? http://www.eve-mogul.com/ has a free seven day trial.

Illegal Spokeswoman wrote:

Also remember that this isn't a loan per say.
It's just a way for people to make a return on their isk while I am able to spend more isk on trading.


Are you a politician?



Lol , now that made me smile while having my coffee break .

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Thor Nergal
Deadly Interstellar Cynosural Killing Squad
#19 - 2015-07-02 06:31:51 UTC
Hi Illegal Spokeswoman,

I am just beginning my investing career and I thought I might share with you the following thoughts I have in relation to investing.

0 collateral;
Big issue for me.

5% interest:
I could work with this (with collateral)

Compounding interest;
Not sure how you plan to keep track of it, If I was to invest I would request interest to be paid out.

Do you have anything you can offer as collateral? I am happy for Raw23 to hold it (I believe he does this for free?)
If you come up with collateral I am happy to put 1 billion into this

Let me know.
Illegal Spokeswoman
Doomheim
#20 - 2015-07-02 07:30:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Illegal Spokeswoman
Thor Nergal wrote:
Hi Illegal Spokeswoman,

I am just beginning my investing career and I thought I might share with you the following thoughts I have in relation to investing.

0 collateral;
Big issue for me.

5% interest:
I could work with this (with collateral)

Compounding interest;
Not sure how you plan to keep track of it, If I was to invest I would request interest to be paid out.

Do you have anything you can offer as collateral? I am happy for Raw23 to hold it (I believe he does this for free?)
If you come up with collateral I am happy to put 1 billion into this

Let me know.



Hello,

I have a spreadsheet that will keep track of current investers/bond holders and their current. http://i.gyazo.com/37c8b335aafc38c86057f4b1b81871d4.png
This is how I keep track of bold holders.

In regards to your collateral question I don't provide collateral. This is because I use all of my funds to trade with, the only assets I hold are the assets I'm moving to sell.

The interest payments can be changed. I thought compounding intrest would be more appealing.

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