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A Closed Apology to a Noble Holder

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Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#41 - 2015-06-28 18:08:03 UTC
Scherezad wrote:
For doing what I was asked, by an ally to my State and CEO, and by the legal police authority, I am being threatened with punishment, in order to 'encourage me to think of how my actions affect others'?


You are being threatened with punishment because you were unfortunate enough to be in the wrong place at the wrong time and become associated with a criminal. As I said, your blame should be on Lord Raholan, not CONCORD. He is the cause of your troubles and it is him that needs to think about how his actions affect others.

I do not understand why people choose to condemn the response instead of the cause.

Sahriah Bloodstone wrote:
Stop being so blind to what CONCORD is doing.


It doesn't matter what they are doing, what matters is that they have legal authority to do it.

You know my opinion of CONCORD, Ms. Bloodstone. While it has many issues, it has to be obeyed so long as it is the lawful authority in these matters.
Matar Ronin
#42 - 2015-06-28 18:26:27 UTC
Samira Kernher wrote:


It doesn't matter what they are doing, what matters is that they have legal authority to do it.

You know my opinion of CONCORD, Ms. Bloodstone. While it has many issues, it has to be obeyed so long as it is the lawful authority in these matters.
The ends or the means have no merit or value to people who think like this, just blind allegiance to the "authority".

Be forewarned all willing to bend at the knees before your "reclaiming ally" or a heavy handed CONCORD, once you have abandoned your basic humanity to the "authority" of administrators, aka bishops, cardinals, admirals, et al this mewling sound of sucking up is all you'll be capable of also, a great human tragedy.

‘Vain flame burns fast/and its lick is light/Modest flame lasts long/and burns to the bone.’

" We lost a war we chose not to fight." Without a doubt this is the best way to lose any war and the worst excuse to explain the beating afterwards.

Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#43 - 2015-06-28 18:27:11 UTC
Samira Kernher wrote:


I do not understand why people choose to condemn the response instead of the cause.


Perhaps because the response is completely out of proportion to the cause, or because the response was punitive towards those who were blameless or could not materially comply even though they made every effort, or because Korachi is making outlaws of the very people he pinned medals to merely days before for the very same thing.

I may well never have seen such hegemonic nonsense so fecklessly bowed and scraped to.

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Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#44 - 2015-06-28 18:45:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Lyn Farel
Sahriah BloodStone wrote:
Lyn Farel wrote:
Then I guess I am doing nothing but sitting on my... ass... Screw the Fair and everything else... What would it be so surprising, coming from a Faithful, right... ?


My comments were not directed at you Ms. Farel


Ah... sorry then...

The Faithful criterion seemed to apply, as well as not having been part of the group of people that autopsied a drifter, or recovered Dr. Tukoss tissues... Thus my confusion, that I hope you will forgive...
Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#45 - 2015-06-28 18:50:16 UTC
Samira Kernher wrote:
Scherezad wrote:
For doing what I was asked, by an ally to my State and CEO, and by the legal police authority, I am being threatened with punishment, in order to 'encourage me to think of how my actions affect others'?


You are being threatened with punishment because you were unfortunate enough to be in the wrong place at the wrong time and become associated with a criminal. As I said, your blame should be on Lord Raholan, not CONCORD. He is the cause of your troubles and it is him that needs to think about how his actions affect others.

I do not understand why people choose to condemn the response instead of the cause.


I apologize for being so angry earlier. I should have been more measured. I'll try that now.

The reason why we are upset with CONCORD and not Lord Raholan, Miss, (though I'll admit I'm irked at him as well), is the distinction between justice and law, and the distinction between honour and appearance.

If you're unable to understand why we're upset at CONCORD, then it's due to a lack of understanding of the differences between these concepts.
Quin Mansa
Doomheim
#46 - 2015-06-28 19:16:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Quin Mansa
The drink in dangerous, Brother Shutaq, and I implore you to reconsider its use in the future.

Do not yield to its sway, and keep your right thinking! Do not sully yourself in such undignified speech. God will punish the guilty through His Chosen, and we will praise Him for it.

"Today, our future is in our hands, and His light shines down upon us." - Her Holiness Catiz I

Sahriah BloodStone
No.Mercy
Triumvirate.
#47 - 2015-06-28 19:29:30 UTC
Samira Kernher wrote:


It doesn't matter what they are doing, what matters is that they have legal authority to do it.

You know my opinion of CONCORD, Ms. Bloodstone. While it has many issues, it has to be obeyed so long as it is the lawful authority in these matters.


I do, and while we agree on many things, I must disagree with belief that we must follow an entity so corrupt, that is actively trying to destroy the very people that risked their lives to uncover information relating to this threat (to bury a piece of brain for Gods sake), all while completely ignoring every single chance they have had to act in the defense of the cluster.

We both know the time, resources and assets that would need to be invested on fixing CONCORD. Sadly it's not a viable option if a war starts, but it is also not viable to follow an organization who does not lift a finger to protect those under it.

Lyn Farel wrote:


Ah... sorry then...

The Faithful criterion seemed to apply, as well as not having been part of the group of people that autopsied a drifter, or recovered Dr. Tukoss tissues... Thus my confusion, that I hope you will forgive...


Understandable, my words were harsh. My intent was not to say all Faithful that had not been part of the research group lacked logic or thought, merely to say that the indoctrinating culture of the Faithful has a tendency to encourage a linear thought pattern. Comments that say 'I don't care how much you've done to help the cluster, but you weren't at a optional ceremony that was unpredictably attacked by an armada - so your a bad person.' Displays an ignorance that is astounding, and that I have only seen reliably from members of the Faithful...and perhaps one Caldari.

While a great many of the Faithful posses a zombie-like way of thinking I find truly distasteful, there are also a great many who stand as thoughtful, intelligent and measured individuals. I should hope those people know who they are, but perhaps I should be more specific in the future. Anger obviously got the better of me.

Sahriah Bloodstone

No.Mercy // Triumvirate

"Never underestimate your enemy or disrespect its abilities. If you do, you shall become the hunted "

Nicoletta Mithra
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#48 - 2015-06-28 19:32:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Nicoletta Mithra
Samira Kernher wrote:
Scherezad wrote:
For doing what I was asked, by an ally to my State and CEO, and by the legal police authority, I am being threatened with punishment, in order to 'encourage me to think of how my actions affect others'?


You are being threatened with punishment because you were unfortunate enough to be in the wrong place at the wrong time and become associated with a criminal. As I said, your blame should be on Lord Raholan, not CONCORD. He is the cause of your troubles and it is him that needs to think about how his actions affect others.

I do not understand why people choose to condemn the response instead of the cause.

Sahriah Bloodstone wrote:
Stop being so blind to what CONCORD is doing.


It doesn't matter what they are doing, what matters is that they have legal authority to do it.

You know my opinion of CONCORD, Ms. Bloodstone. While it has many issues, it has to be obeyed so long as it is the lawful authority in these matters.


Well, Ms. Kernher,

you don't need to understand: All you need is to obey. It'd be befitting of you not to go about grovelling to CONCORD, denying that any critique of the DED actions is unbefitting when the Office of the Imperial Chancellor criticises the DED for its heavy handed action.

What the DED is doing here is therefore clearly not the same as the kind of collective punishments handed out in the Empire. If you can't grasp that, please contact the Office of the Imperial Chancellor and ask them to explain their stance to you.

Yet, one would expect you to simply defer to their authority, something you repeatedly failed to.
A shame, really.

- N. Mithra
Nicoletta Mithra
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#49 - 2015-06-28 19:34:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Nicoletta Mithra
Scherezad wrote:
The reason why we are upset with CONCORD and not Lord Raholan, Miss, (though I'll admit I'm irked at him as well), is the distinction between justice and law, and the distinction between honour and appearance.

If you're unable to understand why we're upset at CONCORD, then it's due to a lack of understanding of the differences between these concepts.

It's slavish natures that are unable to see and grasp such differences.
Alabath Schmidt
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#50 - 2015-06-28 19:36:50 UTC
Aldrith Shutaq wrote:
It's because he has his thumb stuck up Hillen Tukoss's dead arse.


Tee hee, he said arse!
Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#51 - 2015-06-28 21:09:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Samira Kernher
Nicoletta Mithra wrote:
Well, Ms. Kernher,

you don't need to understand: All you need is to obey. It'd be befitting of you not go about grovelling to CONCORD, denying that any critique of the DED actions is unbefitting when the Office of the Imperial Chancellor criticises the DED for its heavy handed action.

What the DED is doing here is therefore clearly not the same as the kind of collective punishments handed out in the Empire. If you can't grasp that, please contact the Office of the Imperial Chancellor and ask them to explain their stance to you.

Yet, one would expect you to simply defer to their authority, something you repeatedly fail to.
A shame, really.

- N. Mithra


The Imperial Chancellor has criticized the degree of DED's actions, but they have not said that the DED should be refused. What they did was take a politically neutral stance by passing equal blame to both parties and calling the entire thing a mess, which it is.

Meanwhile, the Court Chamberlain is imposing additional punishments.

At no point has any Imperial authority deemed it acceptable to refuse the DED's orders.
Aldrith Shutaq
Atash e Sarum Vanguard
#52 - 2015-06-28 21:47:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Aldrith Shutaq
**redacted**

Aldrith Ter'neth Shutaq Newelle

Fleet Captain of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris

Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade

Lord Consort of Lady Mitara Newelle, Champion of House Sarum and Holder of Damnidios Para'nashu

Liam Antolliere
Doomheim
#53 - 2015-06-28 22:09:50 UTC
Lord Raholan,

Your peers have called you to task. Your colleagues have called you to task.

Whatever your reasons for refusing to cooperate, the honorable course of action is to at least consider how your actions are affecting those whom serve(d) beside you. Far be it from me to presume that you've made no effort to contact them and discuss your course of action, but if you have not, I implore you to do so.

I further implore you to do all that is within your power to seek amnesty for those individuals now affected by your individual resistance.

I do not know or understand your reasoning for this course of action but I do know that others are paying the price for it.

"Though the people may hate me, that does not relieve me of my charge."

ValentinaDLM
SoE Roughriders
Electus Matari
#54 - 2015-06-28 23:08:58 UTC
Good on you Aldrith for retracting this vitriol. I am impressed.
Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
#55 - 2015-06-29 04:47:29 UTC
The majority of capsuleers would have pretended they didn't say what they did, or would have only apologized where no others might see and criticize them for it.

Captain Aldrith, I am pleased to see you remain an honorable man, willing to admit when he misspoke.

Render unto Khanid the things which are Khanid's; and unto God the things that are God's.

Synthetic Cultist
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#56 - 2015-06-29 07:16:55 UTC
I Observe that Aldrith Shutaq has Apoligised.

Is this Incident classified as Performance Art ?

I am Somewhat Confused.

Synthia 1, Empress of Kaztropol.

It is Written.

Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#57 - 2015-07-01 04:15:17 UTC
I, Claudia Amelia Testarossa Wingate Lillithella Osyn MDCXXXIV, Goddess of the IGS, approve of this thread.

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.

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