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Witness to Divine Intervention or an Amarr Super Weapon

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Rytha Main
Defensores Fidei
#1 - 2015-06-28 13:34:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Rytha Main
As Master of Ceremonies for the Amarrian Unity gathering, I was in direct-content with Cardinal Dex of Imperial Dreams during the entirety or yesterdays happenings.

As many of you already know, the Drifters made an aggressive invasion into Amarr space with an Armada of over 100 Battleships, engaging with both the Imperial Navy and Capsuleer loyalist forces.

Admiral Ren Karetta issue orders for all loyalists to defend the Empire. While the Coalition fleet warped away to ensure the safety of the Royal Starliner Regency Amarr and re-group into attack formation, I stayed on field with PIE and Caldari allies.

In the mayhem while looking at my scanners, out of the corner of my eye, I was beholden to a large flash of light and a distant rumbling like thunder.

At first, I thought it was a Drifter Battleship discharging their Super weapon.

Then it happened again with my eyes fully on field.

It began as a small burst of yellow light, which then expanded widely to cover the whole battlefield in blinding white light, and this time the sound was deafening. It sounded like some sort of violent electrical discharge with such force that my entire ship shook violently.

Pandemonia. No one was certain what was happening.

Commander Fash Kheram arrived on field with Imperial reinforcements, and as I oriented myself, it was stated the Admiral Ren Karetta and the Divine Commodores' ships were destroyed.

"The Commodore is down. Avenge this treachery"

Without even thinking, or waiting for commands, I locked the nearest Drifter battleship, with overheated afterburners and conflagration crystal loaded lasers, and began to open fire.

To my shock, my holy lasers tore through the Battleship's shields with easy. Their blue shield was still activated, however once it was depleted, it immediately went to armor instead of having a secondary shield to deal with.

Shaken, I locked another Drifter Battleship, and within minutes, the creature was dispatched with holy judgement. I immediately informed the Cardinal "I have destroyed two Drifter Battleships handedly. They have been weakened, I repeat, they have been weakened".

The CVA lead coalition force returned in strength and battle-formation, and began to engage.

Speaking with Fash Kheram privately, I told him I had witnessed something, as I wasn't sure if my ocular implants were deceiving me.

[ 2015.06.27 17:08:28 ] Rytha Main > I saw two flashes of light when I engaged the enemies
[ 2015.06.27 17:08:32 ] Rytha Main > And they were weakened...
[ 2015.06.27 17:08:57 ] Fash Kheram > It may be a sign, let us pray it is so.

If you witnessed it as well or have video feeds, please share it here.

Something happened on that Battlefield. I cannot say what definitively, other than to state the fact: Amarr emerged victorious. God is with us.

Lt. Main
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
iyammarrok
Drunken Beaver Mining
Gnawthority
#2 - 2015-06-28 13:46:48 UTC  |  Edited by: iyammarrok
Be careful what you call souless Rytha, lest you tar yourself with the same brush.

to answer the title of your thread though, probably neither.

Not indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#3 - 2015-06-28 17:51:20 UTC
Congratulations, Ms. Main.
And I have to bring my apologies, as I was saying a lot that Drifters weren't enemies and they weren't attacking without provocation. Last time their attack was caused by pseudo-scientists stealing their body. But now?..
Obviously I was wrong and Drifters just attack for only them known reason, what makes them effectively enemies of the Empire and the State.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
#4 - 2015-06-29 04:34:20 UTC
As I have stated in the previous thread, I saw no flash of light save that of Imperial lasers. Heard no 'boom,' though I did hear the strangely beautiful cry of the Drifter ships. I say this as someone who watched the beginning of the engagement from a mere 14k away. As I was in a Pilgrim, I did not seek battle, simply to witness and try to understand what was happening.

If anyone has evidence of this, I would urge them to come forward.

In regards to the Drifter's being 'soulless,' that is merely speculation. I have also heard capsuleers claim that Drifters care nothing for their losses, are near infinite in number, wish only to conquer New Eden, and other things, without much in the way of evidence.

I realize it is frustrating to have an enemy we know so little about, but request we not treat speculation as fact.

Render unto Khanid the things which are Khanid's; and unto God the things that are God's.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#5 - 2015-06-29 05:45:23 UTC
Hanaya-haani, as for Drifter soullessness, I neither have information about that issue, nor believe it important, however according to my observation they acting mostly as soulless drones, who just do their task disregarding others.
From my point of view, if Drifters would have souls, they would either:
1) tried to contact us; or
2) were extremely mad for us attacking sleepers in wormhole space, and were invading, attacking, killing and destroying everything we built with extreme prejudice.

On a good side, if they were proven indeed soulless, it will make us fighting them way easier, as they will soon become predictable just like soulless sansha space trash.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Corraidhin Farsaidh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2015-06-29 09:41:33 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Hanaya-haani, as for Drifter soullessness, I neither have information about that issue, nor believe it important, however according to my observation they acting mostly as soulless drones, who just do their task disregarding others.
From my point of view, if Drifters would have souls, they would either:
1) tried to contact us; or
2) were extremely mad for us attacking sleepers in wormhole space, and were invading, attacking, killing and destroying everything we built with extreme prejudice.

On a good side, if they were proven indeed soulless, it will make us fighting them way easier, as they will soon become predictable just like soulless sansha space trash.


Be wary of such hubris, a virus is soulless yet can spread and kill with terrifying speed if you allow it.

We need more information regarding the Drifters and why they are attacking, but also why they are focused on the Amarr. Did they only attack military ships involved in the gathering? I'm still not sure whether they are acting as soldiers attacking only enemy combatants or invaders attacking anything that moves.
Kahar Dex
Imperial Dreams
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#7 - 2015-06-29 10:44:53 UTC
I do not believe Lt. Main's drive was to spark a philosophical debate on the state of soul or lack thereof with regard to Drifters.

From a purely figurative point, I would call them souless as well for engaging in unprovoked hostilities and destroyed innocent bystanders.

And judging from the aknowledgment from Fash Kheram, Commander of the Third Imperial Fleet, I'd say something DID transpire.

Moving forward in this thread, I would also like to encourage any who were there and who bore witness of this, to bring forth their testimony or evidence.

His Eminence Cardinal Kahar Dex of the CVA and Imperial Dreams. Follow The Cardinal: @kahardex

Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#8 - 2015-06-30 03:57:46 UTC
Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:

We need more information regarding the Drifters and why they are attacking, but also why they are focused on the Amarr. Did they only attack military ships involved in the gathering? I'm still not sure whether they are acting as soldiers attacking only enemy combatants or invaders attacking anything that moves.

Given they apparently ignored a Pilgrim mere km off their fleet, it's a fair guess they only engaged people attacking them, no-one seems to have seen them actually attack the Amarr, they simply attacked on word of the Amarr that they were responsible for the Commodores ship being destroyed via treachery, rather than any other agent or the drifters firing in self defence.
Other things people have posted indicate that the Amarr forces were given the order to fire before any Drifters engaged them.
So all in all other than the strangeness of their normal shields being down and the larger fleet it seems like the drifters followed their normal protocol for self defence.

So in response to Kahar, firstly capsuleers do exactly what you call soulless, secondly, no-one has any evidence drifters fired first.
Brandi Wiseman
Den Sorte Loge
#9 - 2015-06-30 13:06:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Brandi Wiseman
100 battleships warping in on a summit is not Drifter "normal protocol for self-defence". This was a clear declaration of war against New Eden.

Fly Caldari!

Corraidhin Farsaidh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2015-06-30 13:15:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Corraidhin Farsaidh
Brandi Wiseman wrote:
100 battleships warping in on a summit is not Drifter "normal protocol for self-defence". This was a clear declaration of war against New Eden.


Not if they didn't fire first, and it doesn't seem to be New Eden at the moment - it seems more targeted on Amarr. Do CONCORD or any one else supposedly impartial have the combat logs to see who fired first?

If this is mainly Amarr foused then we need to know why so that more bloodshed can be avoided if possible. The potential losses in the event of an all out war are truly terrible to consider.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#11 - 2015-06-30 16:27:08 UTC
First time attack was because some jerks stole their corpse.
I think it would be proper if we would blame these body snatchers and make example of them. I don't think that this will stop Drifters, of course, but justice must prevail.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Brandi Wiseman
Den Sorte Loge
#12 - 2015-06-30 17:09:35 UTC
Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:
Brandi Wiseman wrote:
100 battleships warping in on a summit is not Drifter "normal protocol for self-defence". This was a clear declaration of war against New Eden.


Not if they didn't fire first, and it doesn't seem to be New Eden at the moment - it seems more targeted on Amarr. Do CONCORD or any one else supposedly impartial have the combat logs to see who fired first?

If this is mainly Amarr foused then we need to know why so that more bloodshed can be avoided if possible. The potential losses in the event of an all out war are truly terrible to consider.


You and I have very different interpretations of "self-defence"

Speaking personally, warping 100 Battleships with known superweapons to a peaceful summit in the middle of Sovereign Empire Space does not strike me as actions taken in self-defence, regardless of who chose to fire first. Invading sovereignty territory itself is considered an act of war.

You insult the memory of all those who died by persisting with your ridiculous and spurious argument. But then perhaps that is your point?

Fly Caldari!

Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#13 - 2015-06-30 18:13:12 UTC
Brandi Wiseman wrote:
100 battleships warping in on a summit is not Drifter "normal protocol for self-defence". This was a clear declaration of war against New Eden.

Well, against the Amarr at least. Not saying I trust them to stop with them, but they haven't really aggressed anyone else.

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.

Corraidhin Farsaidh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2015-06-30 20:23:44 UTC
Brandi Wiseman wrote:
Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:
Brandi Wiseman wrote:
100 battleships warping in on a summit is not Drifter "normal protocol for self-defence". This was a clear declaration of war against New Eden.


Not if they didn't fire first, and it doesn't seem to be New Eden at the moment - it seems more targeted on Amarr. Do CONCORD or any one else supposedly impartial have the combat logs to see who fired first?

If this is mainly Amarr foused then we need to know why so that more bloodshed can be avoided if possible. The potential losses in the event of an all out war are truly terrible to consider.


You and I have very different interpretations of "self-defence"

Speaking personally, warping 100 Battleships with known superweapons to a peaceful summit in the middle of Sovereign Empire Space does not strike me as actions taken in self-defence, regardless of who chose to fire first. Invading sovereignty territory itself is considered an act of war.

You insult the memory of all those who died by persisting with your ridiculous and spurious argument. But then perhaps that is your point?


Of course I don't insult the dead, those crews behaved with honour and obeyed their capsuleers. However I ask an important question. We know how the Drifters react to being fired upon. If they did not fire first then we do not know that this was their intent. If they did fire first and in a mass fleet action this is an important change in behaviour. One that needs to be prepared for before it happens again.

The presence of a large fleet does not necessarily mean a war fleet. The fleet present for the celebration was not present for war and was much larger.
Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#15 - 2015-06-30 20:49:34 UTC
They fired first. Our response was delayed in the confusion and most people were holding fire without confirmation from their fleet commanders. The drifters on the other hand were firing at will at people on field.
Michael Pawlicki
Mouth Trumpet Cavalry.
Mouth Trumpet Cavalry
#16 - 2015-06-30 21:17:43 UTC
Well, I hope that this weapon reaches production soon. Lord knows we need it something fierce. Kim, I don't think I've EVER seen you THIS civil. Ever.
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2015-06-30 21:17:50 UTC
Samira Kernher wrote:
They fired first. Our response was delayed in the confusion and most people were holding fire without confirmation from their fleet commanders. The drifters on the other hand were firing at will at people on field.


Then that is a serious change in their behaviour, a co-ordinated and planned assault is entirely different to previous encounters. In this case there can be no doubt it was a concerted attack against Amarr. Why are they so fixated?
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#18 - 2015-07-01 00:02:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Nevyn Auscent
Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:
Samira Kernher wrote:
They fired first. Our response was delayed in the confusion and most people were holding fire without confirmation from their fleet commanders. The drifters on the other hand were firing at will at people on field.


Then that is a serious change in their behaviour, a co-ordinated and planned assault is entirely different to previous encounters. In this case there can be no doubt it was a concerted attack against Amarr. Why are they so fixated?

Assuming that one capsuleers recollection without any evidence is actually correct....
When others have said they survived without being fired on while in combat ships in close proximity to the Drifters......
The 'facts' don't add up. And the few claiming they fired first have a vested interest in drifters being the 'bad' guys.
Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#19 - 2015-07-01 00:20:15 UTC
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Assuming that one capsuleers recollection without any evidence is actually correct....
When others have said they survived without being fired on while in combat ships in close proximity to the Drifters......
The 'facts' don't add up. And the few claiming they fired first have a vested interest in drifters being the 'bad' guys.


A fleet of 100 battleships warps directly to a planned event. The largest gathering of drifter ships seen in one place outside of Tukoss's pictures of their staging ground. Even if they didn't fire first, they were still taking aggressive action.

Drifters are invaders. Stop burying your head in the sand. They're not our friends.
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#20 - 2015-07-01 01:25:30 UTC
Samira Kernher wrote:

A fleet of 100 battleships warps directly to a planned event. The largest gathering of drifter ships seen in one place outside of Tukoss's pictures of their staging ground. Even if they didn't fire first, they were still taking aggressive action.

Drifters are invaders. Stop burying your head in the sand. They're not our friends.

I see.... so capsuleers can warp fleets around and to planned events without being hostile.... yet you decide drifters can't.
This is my complaint, you are assigning the fact that they own battleships and warp places in them as a hostile act, yet capsuleers owning vast numbers more battleships, and even capital ships.... and driving them around Empire territory while claiming independence.... is not a hostile act.

In short, double standards.

And then people claim that because they fired on the drifters and the drifters returned fire, the drifters are therefore evil and must be destroyed.....

Self fulfilling prophecy much?

They may be outsiders, they may very well be unfriendly, they certainly aren't talkative but neither are most capsuleers interested in talking to other parties while in space. They certainly aren't my friend, but not being my friend does not automatically make them my enemy.
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