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Why do incursion VG rats scram you ?
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SuperPee
The PingWing
#1 - 2015-06-30 16:01:56 UTC
Yes, this is an alt.

About Incursions
Vanguard sites.
Rats scaming players has absolutly NO effect on the actual gameplay.
Web and Neut might have some effect tho.
itScraming VG ratsis only more work for CCP in case of a server problem because they have to reimurse **** that would otherwise have EWarped out.

You can solo the damm sites in a fleet boosted Rattlesnakeor even a Drake if if if you really want to.

So CCP... can't you just remove the scraming fom rats used in Incursion Vanguard sites.
Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2015-06-30 16:48:02 UTC
If they are no problem they why are you whining about it on the forums?

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
SuperPee
The PingWing
#3 - 2015-06-30 17:07:39 UTC
because of petitioning for reimburse, and waiting for a week everytime the server burps.
Xylem Viliana
homeless bum
#4 - 2015-06-30 18:35:20 UTC
Not all people are capable of doing it is why and when those people have to bug out then losses happen. this is the same as why mission rats scram, not for killing when the server crashes, but when PEOPLE mess up.
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#5 - 2015-06-30 19:47:06 UTC
Umm. I hate to be obvious, but here goes: so you can't warp out without killing them?
Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
#6 - 2015-07-01 01:04:15 UTC
Zhilia Mann wrote:
Umm. I hate to be obvious, but here goes: so you can't warp out without killing them?

My thoughts exactly, kill the scrams first then you do not have to worry about it.

Besides you probably make more than enough ISK to have a back up ship / ships so losing one does not prevent you from running more CG sites while you wait for CCP reimbursement.
Yourmoney Mywallet
Doomheim
#7 - 2015-07-01 04:47:01 UTC
I'd really like to see OP's lossmail. I bet his ride blew up in a purple haze.
Erik Sokarad
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2015-07-01 16:29:37 UTC
its more like an AFK check for logi. if their wake and rep you, then your fine. if you dont have logi, then you bling goes boom. so the mechanic prevents a fleet from warping in and out quickly mid-combat, and thus defines how you can engage the rats.

really, with VG the logi should already have everyone ongrid locked anyway. and if you have logi and are in range, then a DC should not kill you anyway. if the logi also DC, then you have bigger problems.
SuperPee
The PingWing
#9 - 2015-07-01 19:02:30 UTC
I was talking about hte problems cause by the recent server problems.
grids not loading ect.
if the server is working fine an individuial dc is no promem. just try not to wake up the logi b4 the end of the site.
but my point was "why do they scram if has no influence on actual gameplay".
you can just hold the spawn at non scraming rats and warp away. the delay is minimal.
It's just a major pita to run sites under the current server situation with grids randomly not loading and you just warp into a pool full of scraming rats and wait for ccp to click the reimburse button.
And yes, i do carry a spare ship around for cases like that.
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#10 - 2015-07-01 19:42:54 UTC
Erik Sokarad wrote:
its more like an AFK check for logi. if their wake and rep you, then your fine. if you dont have logi, then you bling goes boom. so the mechanic prevents a fleet from warping in and out quickly mid-combat, and thus defines how you can engage the rats.

really, with VG the logi should already have everyone ongrid locked anyway. and if you have logi and are in range, then a DC should not kill you anyway. if the logi also DC, then you have bigger problems.


key phrase: sever problem. It is my understanding that in general CCP doesn't reimburse for a DC. Sometimes when the server hiccups the players get kicked out where the NPCs keep going for a while.

I've only ever been in a few incursion fleets, and I got bored. I'm not sure the warp scrambling really means anything in them. Now in low/null where pvp can happen on top of the pve it means you have to stick around or lose a ship. on the base issue I'm rather unconvinced either way.

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Eli Apol
Definitely a nullsec alt
#11 - 2015-07-02 01:18:55 UTC
If it's a mass dc, petition it. If you're complaining because you tried to solo a group pve site then petition it and get laughed at.

but what would I know, I'm just a salvager
Cidanel Afuran
Grant Village
#12 - 2015-07-02 15:31:06 UTC
SuperPee wrote:
I was talking about hte problems cause by the recent server problems.
grids not loading ect.
if the server is working fine an individuial dc is no promem. just try not to wake up the logi b4 the end of the site.
but my point was "why do they scram if has no influence on actual gameplay".
you can just hold the spawn at non scraming rats and warp away. the delay is minimal.
It's just a major pita to run sites under the current server situation with grids randomly not loading and you just warp into a pool full of scraming rats and wait for ccp to click the reimburse button.
And yes, i do carry a spare ship around for cases like that.


Wait, so you want to completely revamp a game mechanic because there was one minor technical glitch?

wat?
Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#13 - 2015-07-02 19:50:13 UTC
Sure, you can solo the site; but you won't get a payout for doing so.
Anya Klibor
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2015-07-03 03:11:32 UTC
SuperPee wrote:
Yes, this is an alt.

About Incursions
Vanguard sites.
Rats scaming players has absolutly NO effect on the actual gameplay.
Web and Neut might have some effect tho.
itScraming VG ratsis only more work for CCP in case of a server problem because they have to reimurse **** that would otherwise have EWarped out.

You can solo the damm sites in a fleet boosted Rattlesnakeor even a Drake if if if you really want to.

So CCP... can't you just remove the scraming fom rats used in Incursion Vanguard sites.


Why do rats in missions scram you?

Why do rats EWAR you?

Why do rats shoot back?

Why do rats have a tank?

All of these things have absolutely NO effect on the actual gameplay.

Leadership is something you learn. Maybe one day, you'll learn that.
Henry Plantgenet
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2015-07-15 13:43:02 UTC
only burner rats scram.
VG NPCs only warp disrupt (read: Use a MJD to get away if you're in deep ****)
Gh0stBust3rs
Templars HIghsec
Stellar Fusion
#16 - 2015-07-15 18:06:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Gh0stBust3rs
Henry Plantgenet wrote:
only burner rats scram.
VG NPCs only warp disrupt (read: Use a MJD to get away if you're in deep ****)



But then your not super pimped and perfectly setup to run incursions for 150-200m an hour.


There are warp disruption rats in almost all aspects of gameplay. They are designed so that you actually have risk.