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[I'm an old player considering whether to start actively playing again]

I haven't read through every page yet.

However, just looking at the feedback devblog:

"we wanted to increase the skill ceiling of reading the grid at a glance, so that players who learned the expanded set of icons had a distinct battlefield advantage."

Really? One of the goals is to deliberately make the overview *harder* to understand?!

Surely the point of the overview is to make it *easier* to understand.

"Ships (Triangular)
Structures (Rectangular)
Celestial Bodies (circular)"

Ok, I could understand that.
*Except* not all ships are triangular!
The example just below in the devblog shows a diamond carrier and a (basically) diamond customs office.

What do I want the overview to tell me about the surroundings?

Is something shooting at me?
If so, is it small big or huge?
If not, I have time to look more thoroughly.

I too, am banking on this.

And not all triangles are ships (e.g. beacons).

Two of mine are already gone, this one has a few more days and I'll probably never re-sub any of my accounts again, CCP has pretty much killed my play style with some of the changes over the past year and the icon changes pushed me over the top so may as well quit.

I'm not far from 100 bill in ISK between all my accounts not counting 2 supers and a titan on holding toons that have not been subbed in years.

Also ROLL BACK.!

About the mods, and the overview. It might bother some people that a mod gives them a different experience from others who don't use one, etc. The information in the overview in particular is ripe, begging, for something to be done with it. It's raw telemetry that is vomited out onto a table... raw. If the client is openly displaying that information, what's the problem with integrating it into a mod that is more expressive. Shouldn't that happen with raw data anyway?

Maybe it's because it's 5am and I've been awake all night, or maybe I'm not the only one that finds this statement vague.

Elaborate please.

Ok.

I don't think that the issue here is determining whether or not there are inconsistencies in the icons. Many posters before me have shown that not all the icons follow the strict formula of [Triangles for ships, rectangles for structures and circles for celestials.] How does a diamond look like a triangle?

Unfortunately what it all comes down to is subjective opinion. You may agree that the icons are fine while I may not.

If CCP was willing to make changes to the problem icons, how do they begin to go about gathering the information necessary to make said changes? What icons do they change? What do they change them to?

Do they speak to their CSM members?
Do they take a forum poll?

If there were to be any changes made, I would assume that the decision to act would be decided on how much of the Eve playerbase actually wants a change. Neither of the two options listed above would provide accurate statistics, as in either case, they'd be canvassing opinions from a very small part of the community; those that despise the new icons, and have gone out of their way to make their opinions heard by posting here on the forums or by bringing it to your attention.

Nothing short of an in-game poll would provide the "Yay/Nay" feedback required to make this happen, and that's only to determine who actually likes or dislikes the icons. The process of conceptualizing a better set of icons and implementing it into the game would require yet more work.

So aside from posting about how dissatisfied we are on the forums, aside from asking for rollbacks or the ability to customize our own Overview, (which would solve everyone's problems for the next decade,) how do you propose we proceed?

I'm all for due process, but if we actually knew what that due process was (Or better yet, knew that there actually was a process to begin with,) it might make it easier to go about this in a constructive manner. Presently we're all just doing the only thing we know how to do, which is the only thing that CCP has enabled us to do: Whine on the forums.


To be completely clear, despite my asking for it I don't expect a rollback. This issue seems to have generated a fraction of the tears that the jump changes did and nobody got anywhere back then, either. It's a shame, really. CCP is a business that can rightfully [legally] make their own business decisions, but they should be accountable to their playerbase. Whether or not these changes are wanted by the majority of the playerbase is not something I can comment on, but I don't realistically see them making an effort to get this information. I'm hoping that they'll surprise me.

The icons on the overview , now are alot more confusing but , can adopt to em ,

but what i can't adopt to is the icons for the ship wreacks , as i can't see the damned diffrence between a empthy ship wreack , or a full one . the icons are simply way way to small .

in that area of all the icon's the old one's there where a helleva lot better then the new one's are , those 2 icons are the only one's i whould like to have changed back to old , as iv got to sit whit my face frikking 1 cm away from screen to see the diffrence between em , and whit the old , one that wasen't a problem .

the other icons ill prolly learn to adopt to sooner or later .

thats all iv got to say , so Good old CCP be as kind as to atleast change the ship wreack icon's bk . to the old , i dont wanna go blind , or get some other odd eye condition . due to haveing to sit whit my face in the screen.

thx.

I am 99% sure I'm gone for good, my play style has been wrecked by CCP as I mainly enjoy cap/super/titan pvp and since I can't move my ships to other locations as needed they have been setting collecting space dust from frustration.

There have been other changes that hurt my play style as well but I held on hoping things would get better for players like myself but to date they have only gotten worse, the icon changes that taunt people like myself that have bad eyesight was the deal breaker (yes I gave feedback on sisi about how bad they are but all feedback was ignored), I haven't really played Eve much since CCP broke my play style anyway so I'll put my 45 bux a month towards other games.

New players could not set in most of my ships so I'm not giving them to anybody who has to train for years to pilot them correctly, I have already given away billions to good friends that I have made in this game (you know who you are!), as well as all of my carriers and PLEX, I'm holding onto all of my collectors ships/stuff and my BPO collection as I may give my son an account or two when he gets old enough to understand the game (if Eve lasts that long and if he really wants to play). I've decided to keep the two 200+ mill SP toons and the three super/titan holding toons to give to my boy on spread out special occasions that has yet to be determined, I'm hoping he will enjoy Eve as much as I used too.

I have loved playing Eve for over 12 years now and I know I'll miss it for sure but since there is no way I can play with those horrid icons I have no choice but leave.

It really pains me to read posts like this and look at CCP how they play with themselves, promoting change for changes sake and actually having no plan or path for a good portion of their players that actually carried the game for such a long time...