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Turbo Mining - An incentive to non-afk mine
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Litair
Nleesh
#41 - 2015-06-29 00:48:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Litair
Ben Ishikela wrote:
my point was: if "safe" regions can be harvested for Ore more AFK, then these ores loose in price, which is an incentive for people to go to dangerous places. As always: poverty leads to progression.
If that is already the case, it still has to be stronger and therefor the distribution needs fixing.
Also, afk-mining isnt bad. Its the "SEMI"-afk thats lacking.
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On the other hand, althoug i like mini-games, an activity that provides no further interaction/content with the communitiy/players, is not worth the devtime. Lets hope that doesnt apply....


Ah right. I get your point, but the problem is that mining is so low in profit per hour played (which goes for all parts of space) that it's not really viable compared to other game activities unless you multi-box on many miner accounts or simply go entirely afk and watch a movie in the meantime.
For this reason almost no miners go to lowsec, because that requires you to constantly pay attention and watch for pirate players.
That's why the reward for paying attention and playing the game actively should be increased.

I fully realize CCP may decide it's not worth the dev effort, which is fair enough, it's their call to make. It's just an idea they can consider.
Lan Wang
African Atomic.
Dreadnought Diplomacy.
#42 - 2015-06-29 09:59:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Lan Wang
Litair wrote:
I would add afk miners think they're a problem too themselves (I shall not speak for everyone of course). Many do it simply because it's so boring and there's no reason not to go afk.


pick another career if it "so boring" what is wrong with you miners, and no why should you be rewarded more for being at the keyboard in a computer game

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Kiddoomer
The Red Sequence
#43 - 2015-06-29 10:17:13 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
Litair wrote:
I would add afk miners think they're a problem too themselves (I shall not speak for everyone of course). Many do it simply because it's so boring and there's no reason not to go afk.


pick another career if it "so boring" what is wrong with you miners, and no why should you be rewarded more for being at the keyboard in a computer game


Because we spent the same cash as you to be able to play the game ? So why fun only for some and not (at all) for others.

In the name of Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen : “Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.”
Lan Wang
African Atomic.
Dreadnought Diplomacy.
#44 - 2015-06-29 10:20:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Lan Wang
Kiddoomer wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:
Litair wrote:
I would add afk miners think they're a problem too themselves (I shall not speak for everyone of course). Many do it simply because it's so boring and there's no reason not to go afk.


pick another career if it "so boring" what is wrong with you miners, and no why should you be rewarded more for being at the keyboard in a computer game


Because we spent the same cash as you to be able to play the game ? So why fun only for some and not (at all) for others.


so you should be rewarded more for staying at the keyboard to play the game? no you should be punished more for going afk. tbh i wouldnt bother paying for a game if it was boring and i just logged in to go afk, what is the point :/

as said if its boring pick something else to do, nobody forces you to mine, i would like turbo ratting nyx which would rat at 3 x the speed of normal nyx please because ratting is boring and i need to do it faster :) or how about a cloaked ratting ship so i can go afk while ratting?

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Litair
Nleesh
#45 - 2015-06-29 10:30:47 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
Kiddoomer wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:
Litair wrote:
I would add afk miners think they're a problem too themselves (I shall not speak for everyone of course). Many do it simply because it's so boring and there's no reason not to go afk.


pick another career if it "so boring" what is wrong with you miners, and no why should you be rewarded more for being at the keyboard in a computer game


Because we spent the same cash as you to be able to play the game ? So why fun only for some and not (at all) for others.


so you should be rewarded more for staying at the keyboard to play the game? no you should be punished more for going afk. tbh i wouldnt bother paying for a game if it was boring and i just logged in to go afk, what is the point :/

as said if its boring pick something else to do, nobody forces you to mine, i would like turbo ratting nyx which would rat at 3 x the speed of normal nyx please because ratting is boring and i need to do it faster :) or how about a cloaked ratting ship so i can go afk while ratting?


If your answer is "do something else if it's boring", perhaps this isn't the right forum section for you.
Lan Wang
African Atomic.
Dreadnought Diplomacy.
#46 - 2015-06-29 10:31:53 UTC
Litair wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:
Kiddoomer wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:
Litair wrote:
I would add afk miners think they're a problem too themselves (I shall not speak for everyone of course). Many do it simply because it's so boring and there's no reason not to go afk.


pick another career if it "so boring" what is wrong with you miners, and no why should you be rewarded more for being at the keyboard in a computer game


Because we spent the same cash as you to be able to play the game ? So why fun only for some and not (at all) for others.


so you should be rewarded more for staying at the keyboard to play the game? no you should be punished more for going afk. tbh i wouldnt bother paying for a game if it was boring and i just logged in to go afk, what is the point :/

as said if its boring pick something else to do, nobody forces you to mine, i would like turbo ratting nyx which would rat at 3 x the speed of normal nyx please because ratting is boring and i need to do it faster :) or how about a cloaked ratting ship so i can go afk while ratting?


If your answer is "do something else if it's boring", perhaps this isn't the right forum section for you.


if this game is to boring for you perhaps this is the wrong game ;)

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Kiddoomer
The Red Sequence
#47 - 2015-06-29 10:37:28 UTC
And where do you think your fighters used by your Nyx come from ? looted from rats ? Mining is a choice in this game like ratting, exploring, missioning, fw and the list goes on.

And there is multiple ways to do these tasks, but mining no for now, only a tedious chore of having to wait, (watching local and d-scan is not counted, since every other activity need you to do that too).

In the name of Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen : “Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.”
Lan Wang
African Atomic.
Dreadnought Diplomacy.
#48 - 2015-06-29 10:39:52 UTC
Kiddoomer wrote:
And where do you think your fighters used by your Nyx come from ? looted from rats ? Mining is a choice in this game like ratting, exploring, missioning, fw and the list goes on.

And there is multiple ways to do these tasks, but mining no for now, only a tedious chore of having to wait, (watching local and d-scan is not counted, since every other activity need you to do that too).


i dont get where you're going with this...

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Kiddoomer
The Red Sequence
#49 - 2015-06-29 10:45:30 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
Kiddoomer wrote:
And where do you think your fighters used by your Nyx come from ? looted from rats ? Mining is a choice in this game like ratting, exploring, missioning, fw and the list goes on.

And there is multiple ways to do these tasks, but mining no for now, only a tedious chore of having to wait, (watching local and d-scan is not counted, since every other activity need you to do that too).


i dont get where you're going with this...


Every other "professions" in the game have a few ways to do it, for example, you can mission lvl 4 in highsec with a assault frigate for fun, a machariel for blitzing, or a dominix with sentries for afk doing it. For ratting, you can do it ninja with a cruiser, in a safe place with a carrier, or in not so safe space with a cheap raven.

For mining, we have only one type : press f1 to activate laser and wait, that's what I wanted to say.

In the name of Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen : “Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.”
Lan Wang
African Atomic.
Dreadnought Diplomacy.
#50 - 2015-06-29 11:49:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Lan Wang
Kiddoomer wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:
Kiddoomer wrote:
And where do you think your fighters used by your Nyx come from ? looted from rats ? Mining is a choice in this game like ratting, exploring, missioning, fw and the list goes on.

And there is multiple ways to do these tasks, but mining no for now, only a tedious chore of having to wait, (watching local and d-scan is not counted, since every other activity need you to do that too).


i dont get where you're going with this...


Every other "professions" in the game have a few ways to do it, for example, you can mission lvl 4 in highsec with a assault frigate for fun, a machariel for blitzing, or a dominix with sentries for afk doing it. For ratting, you can do it ninja with a cruiser, in a safe place with a carrier, or in not so safe space with a cheap raven.

For mining, we have only one type : press f1 to activate laser and wait, that's what I wanted to say.



its all the same you press f1 and wait in almost all pve you are simply describing different methods which are applicable to mining also, can i have this mechanic on my sentry boat to reward me for being at the keyboard when ratting?

Kiddoomer wrote:
Every other "professions" in the game have a few ways to do it, for example, you can mine in highsec with a prospect for fun, a hulk for blitzing, or a skiff with tank for afk doing it. For lowsec mining, you can do it ninja with a venture, in a safe place with rorqual boosts, or in not so safe space with a orca boosts.

For everything, we have only one type : press f1 to activate highslots and wait, that's what I wanted to say.



this would be way op when mining fleets just clear belts in a matter of seconds leaving nothing for anyone else

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Kiddoomer
The Red Sequence
#51 - 2015-06-29 12:19:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Kiddoomer
Not really, yes using sentries and micro warpdrive doesn't give the most engaging gameplay, but with the other kinds (AF, mach and T3) having to manage speed, distance and orientiation, capacitor and reloading is not just having to press f1 and wait. For now mining is only the dominix with sentries way of playing.

And about ore belts depleteds, ice belts are already like this, and the fact that they are anomalies make that the miner need to redo his safe spot to warp away multiple times per day instead of just once in all of his eve online life. And everyone is fine with that.

In the name of Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen : “Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.”
Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#52 - 2015-06-30 04:56:00 UTC
Iain Cariaba wrote:
Everything that can be AFK'd gets AFK'd. Missions, ratting, mining, pretty much every form of PvE gets AFK'd. Unbalancing mining because you don't like that someone is AFK is not called for.

Actually it is called for, precisely because many of the people doing AFK mining don't like it. When many players resort to methods of gameplay they dislike because it is effective, then it is good to put in a fix that encourages fun gameplay instead. A good example is when CCP performed tiericide to make fleet fights more interesting, so people could get into the ship types they were interested in instead of just whatever was most effective at the time (like Drakes).

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Iain Cariaba
#53 - 2015-06-30 08:22:07 UTC
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
Iain Cariaba wrote:
Everything that can be AFK'd gets AFK'd. Missions, ratting, mining, pretty much every form of PvE gets AFK'd. Unbalancing mining because you don't like that someone is AFK is not called for.

Actually it is called for, precisely because many of the people doing AFK mining don't like it. When many players resort to methods of gameplay they dislike because it is effective, then it is good to put in a fix that encourages fun gameplay instead. A good example is when CCP performed tiericide to make fleet fights more interesting, so people could get into the ship types they were interested in instead of just whatever was most effective at the time (like Drakes).

No, it's not called for. When I got absolutly sick of afk mining, something I did for years, I didn't come to the forums asking for mining to be changed to fit me, I went out in the game and found something else to entertain me. EvE is a grand game where, if you don't enjoy a particular aspect to the game, you have the option to not do it. Personally, I will never pilot a mining ship again, but as said by someone else earlier in the thread, I know people who mine only because it can be done afk.
Litair
Nleesh
#54 - 2015-06-30 11:22:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Litair
Iain Cariaba wrote:
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
Iain Cariaba wrote:
Everything that can be AFK'd gets AFK'd. Missions, ratting, mining, pretty much every form of PvE gets AFK'd. Unbalancing mining because you don't like that someone is AFK is not called for.

Actually it is called for, precisely because many of the people doing AFK mining don't like it. When many players resort to methods of gameplay they dislike because it is effective, then it is good to put in a fix that encourages fun gameplay instead. A good example is when CCP performed tiericide to make fleet fights more interesting, so people could get into the ship types they were interested in instead of just whatever was most effective at the time (like Drakes).

No, it's not called for. When I got absolutly sick of afk mining, something I did for years, I didn't come to the forums asking for mining to be changed to fit me, I went out in the game and found something else to entertain me. EvE is a grand game where, if you don't enjoy a particular aspect to the game, you have the option to not do it. Personally, I will never pilot a mining ship again, but as said by someone else earlier in the thread, I know people who mine only because it can be done afk.


Eve is grand game with a lot of aspects to it, but also very lackluster in many gameplay aspects, which has always been its biggest issue when it comes to attracting and keeping new players. I mean it's nick named Spread Sheet The Game, and any other variation thereof.
There's lots of things that needs to be improved. If it offends you to see suggestions on how to do that or get tired and grumpy about it, I'd suggest simply skipping a thread like this and not post in it to begin with. You really don't have to.
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